By the way, When taking a screenshot, press "/hidehud 1". I see you already found out that when you press "/hudgun 0" ingame, the hudgun will "dissapear" :P.

I'll look into the map another time...

Please cite the specific items you noticed which are incorrect in my packaging, as I attempted to follow the guidelines.

Please just read it or take at least a look over it. Maybe you've noticed a content should have the same set up as sauerbraten itself, so your map-files (like "loading"-screenshot, map-configuration, map-file and waypoints) should be in the folder called "base". And how miracleous, the folder "base" should be in a folder named "packages".
Now you would get when you open your zip-file, first a "packages"folder. When opening that folder, you should get a folder called "base" and after opening that, you should get all files wich are related to your map (exept textures, models, sounds etc!)

Hope that helped...

@suicizer
Its quite arrogant of one to cite their own maps when critiquing others.

In the future use maps that are in the map pack, or maps that have a higher quality.

@map
basically lighting is off, textures are to repetitive, and lacks much detail. Look at maps such a hog2, quake8(i do believe),torture(i think thats whats its called).

chasester

ps: i apologize ahead of time i dont have my map pack on me so im ill shotty on the the names, but ill come back and fix it.

I hope you've read my first comment, wich I was reffering to "nevil_c"...

I know it's quite arrogant and maybe I shouldn't done that. But I can't help you cuold take this map under the same catogory as those, a "remake" of Quake 3 Arena maps.
Only because of that, I actually took my maps as example. If anyone else made them, I would have taken those...

But true, I remember now hog2 wouldn't be a bad choice to take a look at either...

Maybe this sound arrogant too, but there are still some maps in the official sauerbraten wich have way less quality as the maps I was referring to. So it's not always a good choice to take a map wich are included...

P.S.
Eeerm "quake8" or "torture"? never heard of those maps. Wich release of sauerbraten are you playing?

as i said i did not have the names right:

wake5
torment

chasester

XD I'm sorry but that's pretty funny, as the names are completly different to each other.

Wake5 isn't a good example for a quality map, neither is torment (even tough torment has quality, still not the right choice). They both have a very different flow, gameplay and even theme than Quake 3 Arena's Hells Keep.
Wake5 has a more dark-castle theme, while torment has a more dark-industrial theming. Both maps share the fact they are way more open than Hells Keep every would and should be, this counts for the flow either.

Please try again by picking included maps :P.

As I said, this is for mac-only, wich shouldn't be taken...
As far as I know win-version and linux version have the same set up at folders, so please take that set up...

Now back to the map...

First of all, make sure the light is calculated when presenting a map! The only exeption on this is if you would have a map with an insane high ammount of world triangles (wich this map doesn't has and that's fairly good, but I'll come to this later in my comment).

Second of all, use a proper name without "-" in it, since it's pretty irritating to use "quotes" in the console line. Takes time and is unnecessary.

Like I previous said, the theme is similar to some maps I've posted on quadropolis. It's not a bad, neither a great theme, but It's (still) pretty original compared to egyptical or space-like themed maps.

The geometry kind of sucks. I know the vision of Quake3 was to use as less triangles as possible. Sauerbraten has a similar vision, but detail counts some more here than in Quake3.
A tip when trying to create the some triangle patterned platform (like you tried at the shotgun area), try to use as less triangles for it as possible. This can be done by creating a mapmodel wich has an alpha-blended texture on it (wich isn't getting supported on the normal textures on sauerbraten) or by making the holes in the platform bigger (and clip it if necessary) or by taking a different pattern, like diagonal bars or something like that.
Also try to create mountians outside, not just a wall of steel plates.

The texturing could use some make over yes. There are already some textures included into Sauerbraten wich would fit to the theme, but that's a far too low ammount for creating a map with the current standarts. So try to look further for free quake3 texturepacks or on quadropolis for some proper fitting textures.

The detail, there is none yet...

The ligthing isn't great either. Also, add lightsources to the light.

Don't reply on this, I'm not finished yet :P

@Suicizer
"this is for mac-only"
What are you talking about?

@Chasm
Note the line above the image: "Your ZIP should be structured something like this:"
That suggests that there are specific discrepancies between the 4 different games that this site supports of which you need to take into account.

srbs

The example (that screenshot) in the packaging guide is for mac-only, or just outdated...

My 6th comment now, while still commenting about the map (damn, why can't you edit after someone replied on your post -.-?)...

The flow is pretty bad and not even similar to quake3's "hells keep". I would suggest you fix this point at the same time you do the geometry, wich should be fixed before any other points.
Also, it's very nice you made the doorways more wide than in Quake 3 Arena, but do the same with the height, since you bump against the ceiling of the doorways.

The gameplay isn't great since Sauerbraten has a way more simplistic gameplay-style (more similar to Quake2's) than Quake 3 Arena. Also, don't add 2 quaddamage in 1 map (especially not in a deathmatch map!). Quaddamage commonly ruins the gameplay already, 2 creates a disaster of it.

There's still a lot of work to do on this map...

My advice,

1. Make geometry more round, platforms less thin, try to use trianles in an efficient way (don't create a field full of small cubes). Also make sure there are some mountains outside the map, for a more realistic feeling. Check out Q3A's version some more for inspiration.
2. Be sure the new geometry still matches the flow. So you shouldn't bump against walls, ceilings, etc when running around. Also check out Q3A's version, but don't forget Sauerbraten has a very different flow.
3. Make clear where a player can and can't come. Clip/noclip geometry and be really sure that the player is "caged" into it, so he won't be able to "trick" out the map.
3. Check the gameplay of the map. Are all pickups logically placed? Are the playerstarts pointing in the right direction? etc...
4. Use textures wich are fitting the theme and make those textures also fit on the geometry. To add textures into sauerbraten, make a costum configuration-file for the map ("mapname.cfg").
5. Create some better lighting. Create some more yellow in the lights, especially at the healthboost, rocketspawn-area and shotgunspawn-area.
6. Take a look for details. What could make this room an eye-catcher to other rooms in the map? What would make this map really original to other maps?
7. Take a simple name for the map, wich is pretty easy to remember. For example, a name like "Hells Keep by Chasm" is 1 of the worsed names you could choose for a map, since no-one is willing to type that ingame. Take something like "hells_keep" or even just "hk".
8. Make some proper screenshots of the map. Choose the best as image for ingame use as "loading-font" and use the rest (or combined with the best) as screenshot for the content on quadropolis.

I hope this helped...

Thanks for your critique. I will definitely be working on these things as time presents itself.
I should have been clearer as to what my perception of the release state of this map is.
My main purpose in posting it was to put it out there so if someone else was really into it they could play with it, maybe even finish it if they wanted to see this map done sooner than I will finish it. You'll notice the license I chose is suited to this ends.

I should have deleted the broken light map completely, not calculated a new one, as a lightmap calculated on textures which I have no intention of using in the completed map is useless and a waste of space.

At this point most of the geometry is an exact (or as close as is possible without map models) clone of the quake 3 map, however I do have plans to tweak it for sauer gameplay.

Cheers,
Chasm

PS. if you could link to those textures you said you posted on here, as it seems like the search functionality was failing (could be user error) to find them, that would be awesome.

Ohh, it's for cube1. lol
There is no reason for two different platforms to have that drastically different of folder structures.

Thanks, I'll try hard to live up to your expectations.
If you have any recommendations for texture packs let me know.