to kretren,
i wouldnt take it as an open room in the middle and everything around it, because thats just the strength of the map. When your in the center, you are able to see the most of the map (because of the fog, if you stand near a doorway to the center of the map you wont be able to see more then the opposite doorway to the center), but because your just standing in an open area, your very vurnable to enemy fire.

about those platformlayers,
even tough your partly right in that, this map isnt as open as maps like ot, complex, turbine or dune. all those maps need platformlayers, else they will be just boring. this map has a lot of walls in it, wich still makes it pretty fun to navigate trough the map, but without that its being a maze. the flow isnt getting decreased by those walls after all too.
the only comparable maps to this map are actually metl4 and pitch_black, even tough they got a very different kind of gameplay, they all share the same fact that they all only have 2 platformlayers...

this map is not designed for insta, so camping isnt really a problem (camping in ffa on the map would only give you trouble when taking grenades, because then your extremly vurnable for rockets. this counts when trying to take the quaddamage too. only the riflerounds could be pretty "safe" to take. when you try camping up there on efficiency, you just get blown away by rockets of your opponent).

about those lower platforms,
those platforms are actually very tactical. like the lower platform with a green armour on it, if you there, your very vurnable for explosives (you get locked in very easy by grenades and rockets are a very nice option too.

thanks for telling that the jumppad is missing a small piece in the corner. i already fixed another issue of it, but i problaby didnt saw that 1...

even tough its pretty unnecaserry, ill fully clip the rest of the walls in the center of the map...

you havent noticed that the lights are trully "glowing" this time :S?

be ready for the next map (dont be afraid that i wont improve this map! only did like 5% of the geometry of the next map yet, because i still have to figure out to get the flow right that it feels a bit like in Quake 3 Arena)! it wont have the same textureset as the 3 previous maps i added on quadropolis. But yet again, its a Quake 3 Arena Remake (no, its not q3dm17 :P).

Thanks anyways for commment, ill try to improve some things on it!

P.S.
are you kidding 3/10 for such map 0.0? ive seen much worse maps then this that had the same score!

edit:
in the next release of the map, there will be added another way to the upper platforms (and so to the quaddamage)! even tough, they serve their purpose well, there's a chance the lowest platform (that's just between the center and the bullet spawnarea) will be made longer.
waypoints will be updated of course, even tough bots cant take the other way to the quaddamage (the jump is too hard for them :S).
clip will be updated too.
lighting will be a little updated either, because there was a small point that could be improved...

0.0 "the map onlyonly has 1 path"? are you serious? this map has lots of paths. maybe its because of me, but please explain that?

i know the "1 way to upper platform" problem, its fixed in next release of map...
im sorry but what do you mean with that the upper platform isnt a full circle? its actually ment to be not a full circle, else you get some symmetrical map again.

in the next release, the centerwalls will be clipped fully, just because it would elseway run the intention of the upper platforms and it would be too easy to camp on the center walls (in this situation, kretren would have right with camping, just because you have like overview of the hole map, while you can make secure that the opponent wont get any rockets).

edit:
Just check out the map again and see whats improved :P!

I was only noting the problem with the one path in the upper level and the clipping problem. But I would suggest instead of clipping maybe look at making the wall higher. I would caution aginst clipping such a reachable area.

Chasester

if that was your only problem, what about voting again :S?

a quake 3 arena remake is special, especially when its NOT q3dm17, because that map trully has been remade too many times in other games (as example, in sauerbraten 3 times remade, once in bloodfrontier and one in half life 2).

I know, maybe 3 maps with the same texturepack in a row is too much, but dont forget, only like 6 "official" maps really are using those textures (nevil_c, relic, hog2, loth, aod and fi. i could have missed another one, not sure about that). compared to other texturepacks, like trak5 or lunaran, this is actually a very small ammount of maps.
just because the texturepack fits to the "evilness" theme that quake 3 arena has (of course it has more themes, but exlusive those), ive used the texturepack...
arena like is actually special, because its a gameplay that supposed to be played with 1on1. btw, there are still a lot of maps in sauerbraten (and those maps are great) wich are arena-styled (as example, tartech, metl4, etc)

there isnt 1 way to the upper platforms, there are 2! check the map again and read the improvements!

the fog does fit the map, becuase its a great layer of gameplay (elsway, you would trully have a much less fun gameplay) some "evil" surrounding. This map isnt based on realism, so why the fog is placed in the map? thats just because of the skybox, the clouds and the water wich has the same colour...

the lighting is red everywhere 0.0? im really sorry, but are you colourblind? when you even look at the screenshot, you see at the lower left there's white light...

"little tower in refuge" 0.0? i hope you know thats actually just an arena styled map too (and isnt a 1on1 map, like this one is)? actually, i see now this map cant be compared to any map in sauerbraten, just because its not as open as an insta-based gameplay map (wich are more open and much more platformlayers) and not a ffa-based gameplay map (wich have same ammount of platform layers, but are even more closed). So dont try to compare, because its useless...

the centerwalls arent easy to reach without using any trickjump, so its not unlogical to clip them. its very unnesacery to make them higher, because clip is supposed to be the solution for such thing and it is the solution for it...
I'm pretty wondering how you guys took that ratings at voting...

you said its a little bit boring with red light everywhere, but since theres more white and yellow/orange light then theres red, i dont get your point...

really, check the fucking map again! it has a teleport to 1 of the upper platforms! what about reading the goddamn improvement list??? (I'm sorry but really getting pist after so many times the same thing, when it is fixed). and you dont have to use any trickjumps to get from that upper platform to another, just do a good timed jump, its not that hard. ive even extended the platform with some clip to make it even easier!

thats just the problem with those walls, if they are unclipped, people get on them and fuck up the intention of the gameplay...

i really try to respect comments and im sometimes pretty thankfull for it. like kretren's comment, wich ive based many improvements on (the clipping, another way to upper platform, etc). even tough, it seems not that after those improvements has been done, nothing on voting or commenting has been changed (still getting the same comments while it has been fixed).
nothing personal, but such thing actually pretty sucks, because you think you finaly putted some nice improvements on the map, some other guy that says just the opposite (like at the clipping problem) or repeats the problem that just has been fixed.

btw, did really no-one mentioned i used the pulseglowworld shader (combined with bumpparallaxworld) for lights 0.0? this is like a provement how well this map is getting checked out, not that well it seems :S.

the last in this comment ive got to say, where's your view on gameplay mate? dont only focus on maps that requires more then 2 players or insta-based maps! this map isnt judgeable at all actually, because its just 1 of its kind (if im wrong at that, give me an example were the gameplay , flow, lighting, detailing, geometry and texturing of the map could be compared with)...

i dont mind comments. i like them (because they can be helpfull to improve the map), as long as the issue thats already solved, isnt getting repeated again and again that it isnt solved...
just go on if you want with commenting on my maps, they are usefull sometimes (only this time it wasnt, sorry :P).

i knew you would be coming with that about cube 1 engine
your right, the "quakish gameplay" style has been used in many cube engine maps, but this map isnt like those of cube engine 1 (elseway, please give me an example).
it looks like your afraid and dislike that kind of style, while its actually something great. its easy but still fun, like the intention of sauerbraten itself...

P.S.
ive never said on this content, literally "your wrong". i always tried to keep it on such way that, it was me wich was "wrong" (like i said i wasnt understanding you, wich sets the problem to me, not to you). of course there are exeptions on that, like when someone is going to tell that the lighting of the map is boring because its red everywhere (wich isnt).

i agree metl3 is a nice example for a "quakish" style, but you've forgot that the deathmatch of sauerbraten even today, still looks pretty much like that of Quake 3 Arena.
The only difference is that insta is fully integrated into sauerbraten, wich isnt in Quake 3 Arena, that in Q3A you've got more sounds to relly your calculations on of your opponent's position, (wich sauerbraten lacks), that you've got more weapons (pickups and powerups too) and the flow is different than sauerbraten.

maybe ctf is a nice style and is new against other modes, but that doesnt means there has to be created only ctf maps.
My intention with the Quake 3 Arena remakes is to bring the gameplay of ffa back to its old position, where it was ment that you just make sure you got weapons and armour, while your opponent doesnt (like it normally still is at ffa), Those Q3A maps are just fitting in that intetion, wich only gives the obstacle to create a flow and gameplay in the remake that's is a bit like the originals.

arena doesnt have to be dead, but goes dead by people that are saying "arena is dead" or those who want to have that its dead.

You are right, Cube Engine 2 has endless posiblities, but were talking about the game sauerbraten, not its platform (wich has its limits and i just accept those, i hope you try that too).

I fully agree this textureset has been used too much now (for a while :P) and maybe i should have waited releasing this map and posted an other map instead. but so be it, cant be changed anymore, tough.

to kretren,
i know the "modified cfg" problem, but if someone would kill 2 people (1st could be luck, even it would be very suprising) from 1 side of the map to another, then you know he has modified the cfg. of course, this can be just seen in the demo, when that person always seems to know where his opponent is...

the fog is definetly a part of the gameplay, because it creates a solution that the player isnt able to camp much on the upper platform (if he even is able to because of the risks up there) and balances the effect of the quaddamage (because of the geometry, flow and fog, you only have like half of the time that you can use it efficient, exept if your very lucky and the player is just spawning in your sight).
the fog exist also because of the name of the map, because you have to play more with your "instincts", wich can be "fatal"...

if your really against the fog, then i will try to lower it. even tough, the map would have a layer of gameplay less then, so please do not complain about that...

ive been thinking to add a box in the center, but i noticed that it greatly reduces the flow, because the map is already pretty closed because of the walls. The box idea is nice, but its a solution to a cover-problem in very open maps...

P.S.
Arent core_refuge and core_transfer futuristic in theming xP?

to hugo,
then youll probabaly be happy with my next planned map, because thats a more open and bigger "arena" :P.

yes, its nice for duels and 2v2, why?
because in quake this map is for duels and 2v2...
and you cant give him points for the layout, its a remake...

well now my opinion is, the map is nice and the texture are perfect the light is good too, but the layout is not good for sauerbraten, try to choose other quake 3 maps.
pd: i play quake 3 arena since like 3 years, i can help you in your maps if you want, its just a suggestion.

6/10

It is a remake yes, but actually you can only recognize the map by the center and the upperplatforms (and fog, but i get pretty much critic on that, even outside quadropolis). The lighting, texturing, player- and weaponspawning, detailing, geometry are all pretty different than the version of quake 3 arena (even the gameplay and flow are quiet different).
Thats why you definetly can give points on that...

Im busy at the moment with a remake of vertical vengeance, wich has more platformlayers but a more open gameplay (wich could suit instantgib). Because of that, it probably will have more pickups and playerspawns than the previous remakes...
It probably will have the same spacish theme as its quake 3 arena version, but with a nice original twist on it (like i always try)....

p.s.
Wouldnt mind some help even just in suggestions (as long as they are constructive and logical when it comes to the equality between quake 3 arena and sauerbraten) :P...

Edit:
in the next release of this map, the centerwalls will be fully accesable again, because more players like it unclipped, then clipped (and somehow i actually agree that)...

uhhhhhh, i am confused now...didnt somebody tell me to NOT write uptates in the comments instead of writing it in the node??....so why you doing it then??? maybe because you want more feedback for it?? well, here you go: the map is booooooooooooring to death!!!! i will give you 2/10 for it (and this is still too much imo)!

peace!

... And where the hell did that come from?

mutaF, Do me a favour and tell me why it's "booooooooooooring to death".

Judging from your nickname, i assume you're Fatum. I've seen your maps in the release, and i'm not overly impressed either. In fact, they're quite boring in my opinion. Hell, many of the people i asked have no idea where you came from, let alone your maps. I've seen how you and suicizer acted on the comments of teahuppo. Personally i think that map needed more work than you were willing to put to it. It looks much better in the screenshot than up close. Gubo? Meh.

Of course, i'm rambling now, and this is more likely to be seen as an attack rather than a query, so allow me to correct myself.

While i don't intent to participate in a rather hazardous conversation that's gonna end badly, all i ask of you for now is to refrain from starting a flamewar. I can already see one coming, given your history, so watch what you type. I also won't tolerate hate-ratings. Rate fairly or don't at all, it's simple. (No, this doesn't imply that i think your rating must be changed)

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