You fall right into water or a hole in the floor when taking a teleport. There's also a teledest which makes you faceplant a wall.

How to get the atmosphere better? Don't overrule it by one colour (doesn't matter which one actually). Keep things subtle.

I've never said it should be heavily detailed. Just some more details other than some teleporters (and their teledests) and the pulsating trims.

You fall in a hole so you don't flag camp, as for the others... react faster.

It's an alternate dimension, supposed to look abnormal; shades of different purple terrain looks abnormal. Very helpful suggestion, I'll be sure to nominate it for an award.

So the light wisps, tentacles in the walls, & rift in the middle of the map aren't details to you?

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I've mentioned all details. Those light wisps are just cheap ass. The quakish modelpack contains a standing lightbulb which would fit perfect to the theme (plus it's purple as well).

There are better ways to prevent camping than bumping to a hole.
React faster? That's not really newcomer friendly so just fix it.

It certainly looks abnormal, but also in a negative way...

Saw the lightbulb, didn't look otherworldly enough to me.
Do me a favour & actually play a ctf match on THE UPDATED VERSIONS of this map; the hole is there because you can grab the flag, go to the opposite base, go through the portal, and camp there if your flag isn't there. Then once your flag returns you can just simply run through the portal and score. The hole is there to throw you off so you have an obstacle in this process as going through the portal with the flag gives you a great advantage. Maybe then you'll see why it's there.
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You're still missing the point of gameplay, flow and atmosphere. But don't worry, perhaps over a year you'll understand what I actually mean.

Gameplay: Seems like fast point & shoot weapon frenzy to me
Flow: Point A to Point B with Point C in between from all the maps I've seen
Atmosphere: Everything must generally fit together
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Make it 2 years...

Well, at least you've made a lot of improvement in geometric efficiency (and still gave some quite original theming) with this last map.

Completely missed the textured spot, thanks.
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Inspiration was from Metroid Prime 2
Will fix these issues.
Quad is just there to troll you... no, it's possible to get it, just very difficult. Here's a hint: you have to take damage to get quaddamage.

EDIT: I've revised the teledests so you don't have to stop and turn. I've lowered the jumppads, clipped the horizontal trees.
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Only problems with those two suggestions:
1. You can get across the rift on the dark world now by using the jumppads on the cliff or using the cliff tunnels on the opposite side so it's faster than the normal world.
2. It's supposed to be a rift between two dimensions with a void of nothingness in between (hence the black), so it wouldn't make sense (in my opinion) to fall into the void and end up in the sky of the normal world.
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There, you can fall from the sky now.
I don't show up on coops because I can't play online, I have extremely slow internet, 50.6kbps doesn't cut it with Sauer. Takes about a half hour each time I upload a map. The higher polycount I put on a map, the longer it takes & the likelihood of internet crash rises dramatically. That's why you don't see much detail on my maps.
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I would say, delete all nonsense of models and details like statues (why statues once again??) and focus on the layout this time.
The map has way too many teleports actually; it doesn't need that amount at all.
It also doesn't need "another world" to frag in. Just keep things simple.

What the fu- add details, now delete all those details, & you want me to remove the one thing that makes this map different???? & every time I've kept things simple I get criticized & low marks for it. Goddamn this gets more confusing everyday
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With keep things simple I refer to the gameplay and flow.
The reason why I suggest to delete all fancy stuff is because there clearly have been made a lot of mistakes during the process of creating the layout (while I think the map could turn out still pretty good). That's why you should head back to that step and get that right (and really right, not just "this should do it!"). After that process you should specify the gameplay (which should be in your mind when making the layout!) and then start texturing, lighting and finally; detailing.
So it's not that confusing, you just need be guided a bit better ;).

& that's where I just don't get it, I'm trying to find mapping guides for what's "right" & only thing I've found is starter tutorials. Only thing I've gotten from everyone's comments on what makes a good map layout is:
Can't be flat
Lots of pickups
Not cramped but not too open
Multiple levels
Keep stairways short

So what's the worst part of the map & how can I improve it so it flows better?
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I'm quite sure I already gave you a lot of worse parts...

There certainly are some guides out there focussed on gameplay of Sauerbraten (or similar games). Then again, it matters a lot what gamenode you are aiming for.
I've been busy making such gui a couple of months ago, but dropped it due the upcoming community of Tesseract back then...

The model is pretty good, but could use some less specular light (try to lower mdlspec within md2.cfg). The chaotic ball could have been 1 model also. NOT ON MY PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW

Why did add purple/pink colour to (nearly) every single texture on 1 side of the map? There are way easier (and better looking) solutions to show the difference than this. IN PROGRESS; no suggestions, possibly will not revise

The lighting feels too bland. There nearly is any contrast between shadows and lighted areas. There appears to be a moon shining bright in the sky, but somehow it has no effect at all. DONE; increased sunlight

there are a lot of paths which force you to go to a certain place (most of the time right after the teleports) DONE; more cave networks so there's at least two ways to every destination.

jump into the water and swim further (no, the stepping stones isn't a decent path as it's not flowing at all). IN PROGRESS; running around with my hair on fire because only one person has told me how to improve it (tyvm Justin)

Most of the teledest are badly placed also (as like from the normal base to the chaotic base at each flag). DONE; revised teleports, removed base-to-base teleports

The amount of pickups is way too less; should be about the double (the regular types for you; rockets, rifles and grenades should be twice as much). DONE; doubled

I would say, delete all nonsense of models and details like statues (why statues once again??) and focus on the layout this time. IN PROGRESS; focusing on layout, suggestions anyone?

The map has way too many teleports actually; it doesn't need that amount at all.; DONE; removed base-to-base teleports, theme of map is "two worlds", many teleports needed to avoid telecamp

It also doesn't need "another world" to frag in. Just keep things simple. NOT REVISING; two world theme, something different for once
Next stop, complete insanity.
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As you asked for a gameplay gui, I've published a gameplay entity guide now. It's still in beta though (probably lots of grammar failures).

One of the very first guides on Quadropolis, MakkE's general mapping tips. It may be an old one, but the information within is still applying on even most of Cube Engine 2's games.

This should help: Lunaran's Deathmatch Encyclopedia (by the same guy who made some of our most widely-used textures)

don't get frustrated with Suicizer, though; I remember him telling me he "pulled himself up by his bootstraps" in terms of mapping by looking at maps with good flow and enjoyable gameplay. He has a great intuition most of the time, and can tell what is great gameplay and what seems "off" to him. He does a great job of explaining sometimes, but often that takes a lot of playtesting time, so he'll go by things not seeming right. In that case, it's best to try and ask yourself if his "spidey-sense" really does have a point, because most of the times the answer will come to you if you playtest and find opportunities for better flow, more interesting paths, fixes to annoying shotcuts, etc.

If you want me to try critiquing it, I'd be down to give you some suggestions. I haven't gone through it much yet.

I made a list of guides some time ago. It's worth reading, most of them deal with gameplay, too.

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Much appreciated guys!
EDIT: I've gone through & have done a total revamp in some areas, some minor alterations in others. I'm certainly not finished, but hopefully these are on the right track.
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Map's getting a lot better. Keep going!

I think waterfalls are MEANT to be loud. Have you ever been near a large one? :P

Well yes, they are, but as far as playing the game is concerned it is a bit annoying :P just my opinion though. I guess it's between making your map "realistic" or "enjoyable"

I've cut the sound volume in half for that sound.
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