.smd hudguns? | Quadropolis

jbo1994 | 2012-02-09 23:23

.smd hudguns?

Hi. I was wondering if the .smd format can be used to make hudguns for sauerbraten; and if so, how it would need to be done. I have scoured the internet for a solution, but apparently nobody has tried it before. any help would be greatly appreciated.

edit - It can be done, and three guns are complete. Here's the mediafire link:
Halo-Style Hudguns

One more question - if I wanted to make hudguns that had both red and blue models (for mp) would I have to make a new player model?

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Suicizer | 2012-02-10 21:18

Perhaps here is some useful information about importing it...

CD Xbow | 2012-02-12 08:09

I'm sure you will be able to load them, but I can't confirm if they will animate. We could load a smd mek player model in Red Eclipse and Sauerbraten. It would texture and render properly but not animate. I never knew if it was the config was screwed up or whether the engine doesn't support animation of smd. Octaforge may support them. if anyone knows the answer I would love to know, smd exporters generally seem more robust. The config file was like this:

//smd second attempt, loads, textures but does not animate, oct 2011 .
//If anyone can fix it, let me know
smdload mech.smd skeleton
smdtag R_Arm tag_weapon 0.1 -0.9 0.1 -90 0 -90
smdtag Torso tag_bjet 0 0.4 2
smdtag L_Foot tag_ljet 0 -1.6 1.6
smdtag R_Foot tag_rjet 0 -1.6 1.6
smdtag Turret tag_head
smdtag Torso tag_torso 0 -0.5 0
smdtag Pelvis tag_waist 0 1 2

//smdtag Weapon tag_weapon
//smdtag Waist tag_waist
//smdtag Foot.Left tag_ljet
//smdtag Foot.Right tag_rjet
//smdtag Abdomen tag_torso
//smdtag Head tag_head
//smdadjust Weapon -90 0 -90

smdskin skeleton "skin.jpg" "mask.jpg" 0.1 0.2
smdbumpmap skeleton "normals.png"
smdenvmap skeleton skyboxes/clouds

smdanim "idle" "stand.smd"
smdanim "forward" "forward.smd" 24
smdanim "backward" "backward.smd" 24
smdanim "left" "forward.smd" 24 //
smdanim "right" "forward.smd" 24//
smdanim "jump" "jump.smd" 24 //
smdanim "dying" "die.smd" 24 //
smdanim "dead" "dead.smd" 1
smdanim "melee" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "pistol" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "sword" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "shotgun" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "smg" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "flamer" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "plasma" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "rifle" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "grenade" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "rocket" "idle.smd" 1
smdanim "impulse forward" "forward.smd" 30
smdanim "impulse backward" "backward.smd" 30
smdanim "impulse left" "forward.smd" 18
smdanim "impulse right" "forward.smd" 18
smdanim "dash forward|dash backward|dash left|dash right|dash up" "forward.smd" 18
smdanim "sink" "land.smd" 8
smdanim "swim" "jump.smd" 8
smdanim "crouch" "limp.smd" 1
smdanim "crawl forward" "limp.smd" 8
smdanim "crawl backward" "limpback.smd" 8
smdanim "crawl right" "limp.smd" 8
smdanim "crawl left" "limp.smd" 8
//the common commands are done EXACTLY the same
mdlscale 80 //500//1680
mdlspec 100
mdlextendbb 9 0 0
mdlmaterial 1

jbo1994 | 2012-02-12 18:45

I have imported smd mapmodels with animations, and they worked fine. Mostly what I need to know is if the preparation for export process for md5 and smd is the same (like empties, for example - do I need them? The exporter says it cannot export empties; and does the empty need to be the parent of armature, or vice versa?).

Does that make any sense?

CD Xbow | 2012-02-12 22:26

If you are using Blender this might help http://brettjmcgruddy.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/exporting-to-sauerbraten-compatiable.html

Can you put up the config file for your smd? Might help me sort out why I can't get the player model working. I will try it as a map model and see if it animates.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-14 00:34

It was an extremely simple model (only one mesh) - made to ensure I was doing things correctly, but anyway, here's the config:

smdload "Cylinder.002.smd"
smdanim mapmodel "mmodel.smd"
smdskin planet ../test/skin.png
mdlscale 500

Hope it works for ya.

Suicizer | 2012-02-14 18:10

If the model isn't having any other animations, you don't have to use "smdanim mapmodel" (so you could keep that untouched, especially on md5, iqm or smd-format, as the animations are being separated from each other, unlike in md2 or md3-format).

jbo1994 | 2012-02-16 01:56

But, it stands to reason, that if it works properly with the provided syntax, it should work with the others as well. Also, I know that the command works because I had two animation files in the same folder, and when I changed the animation filename in the config, there was a resulting change in-game.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-16 01:58

Also, CD Xbow, could I have the .blend file for the mech? Maybe it would help me figure out how I need my models set up for exporting.

CD Xbow | 2012-02-16 06:27

Maddness I grew from the Blender,
Required psychosurgery so very very tender,
So for a fact,
The model is from the Max,
And Blender and me for ever ender.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-16 20:19

so you made the model with 3ds max?

CD Xbow | 2012-02-16 20:58

I didn't, the artist, Walter did. He uses a late version of Max. The only reason we use smd at all is because we found the md5 exporters in his version of Max stuff up the vertex weights on the model. I have an old version of Max (R9) which works perfectly with the md5 exporters. Walter found the smd export preserved the integrity of the model so he sends it exported as smd, which I then convert to md5. Complicated, eh! So if we could get the smd version of the model working, it would cut out one (complex) step.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-16 22:39

Got it. Man...it would be so great if someone could make an updated md5 exporter for blender 2.61 (that actually works). Then I coud just follow Geartrooper's tutorials.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-19 15:21

I can confirm that smd works with multi-part models and animation, 'cuz I got my hudgun to display and animate properly.

Suicizer | 2012-02-19 18:17

So what about sharing it with the rest of the community?

jbo1994 | 2012-02-19 18:55

Well, I got it to show up in the HUD, but I'm still working on getting it scaled and aligned properly. When I've decided that it's as perfect as possible, I will share it. I actually have to start over with the animations and differently scaled models.

edit - So I guess I didn't get it to show up "properly", but the models looked as they were supposed to aside from the scaling.

CD Xbow | 2012-02-21 00:02

We are doing some test exports to md5 of a new mech NPC, I think we might do a few as smd and see if we can get them to animate. Will let you know and post the cfg and model if we are successful. UPDATE: This may take a while, as I can't even get the new md5 NPC to load, it kills the game.

Suicizer | 2012-02-21 17:59

Be sure to notify eihrul about that.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-23 02:12

I will be submitting my first two hudguns as soon as I can get on a fast enough connection.

Suicizer | 2012-02-23 18:12

Be sure to make a new node for them (as they probably deserve more than just this content). I'm really waiting for them^^!

jbo1994 | 2012-02-24 01:15

Is the site always slow creating nodes?

Suicizer | 2012-02-24 19:40

Depends on where are you from and at what time you try (at least that's what I noticed). Also, the limit of file-size for uploading is about 9-10Mb, so I recommend to use something else as that when your project is bigger as 8Mb.

CD Xbow | 2012-02-24 19:49

I have had some interesting problems with both the smd and the md5. I can get both to load but neither to animate. In fact the md5 crashes RE when ever I put any animations in the config, so I must have cocked up the export. (except it they run OK in MD45 Viewer, so I am a bit confused. I can feel may more hours of pain before I get these to work. You can see a picture of both the md5 and smd versions at the end of the post here - http://www.macommunity.net/preproduction-meka-designs-vt2298.html

Suicizer | 2012-02-24 20:13

Would it be an idea to release the models so certain people around here really can check out what's wrong with it, instead of having to guess around?

Seeing people having trouble with such formats actually is just 1 of the reasons I keep liking the .md3-format - It may be taking more time or being harder to animate the model and it may not contain as complex animations like .md5, .iqm or .sdm can handle, but it seems to be way more stable as any other format that supports animations.

jbo1994 | 2012-02-27 23:39

Maybe you could try using blender 2.61 to export it.

CD Xbow | 2012-02-25 02:51

Yes I will. I want to try a few things first. I'm going to export another model, built the same, and see if it works. During the very convoluted export process I sometimes cock up the names of parts or the software forces a name change that I am unaware of. I suspect it is just the config, this time I will keep rigorous track of what the exporters are doing. The other thing that has tricked me a couple of times is if RE crashes because of some model issue, if you rerun RE shortly afterwards then the 'old' model data is used, presumablly it is still in memory. I don't know if there are any ways to stop this other than rebooting.

jbo1994 | 2012-03-11 19:35

well, creating a node isn't working for me, so i will post a mediafire link in the main topic for now. If there is an alternative way to distribute my work on this site, please let me know.

CD Xbow | 2012-03-12 12:15

Can't wait to try them. I'LL check out the config and see if it helps sort out the smd meka.

jbo1994 | 2012-03-18 14:22

Let me know what you think!

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