People can do it if they want to. There is no obligation.
Anyone can try if they want, and needn't submit a final map if they don't make it, or want to drop out.

It would be preferable that those who enter put in their name for organization reasons.
People who could not finish will be crossed off, and there will be a nice list of remaining contestants. It will also help at the end when we're trying to decide on what goes in the top ten. Assuming we even have ten people try it. ;)

( Wandering off of topic )

The event, if I can get a hold of some people to help organize, will be set for a date in the future ( The future, really? Why not the past? ) So anybody who thinks they may want to try it will know when it starts, and will not loose any time.
I'm thinking a 1 week time limit would be ideal for the small area I have in mind. I also have a larger map in mind.

I'm considering having two maps at once. Kind of like a Beginner/Expert system, but not. A contestant can choose to do either one, but the bigger map will obviously require far more work and time.

The current rough layout consists of a focal point in the form of a building or tower, a seperating wall, a surrounding wall, some hallways and a hall intersection, and some background buildings. Any background items can be modified to suit the theme, and can be removed if desired. Unlike the other basic geometry. ( I'll add that to the post later )

It was intended to be solo originally, but I am open to all kinds of suggestions.

Teams of 2 could be arranged and may be a very good idea, but I think any more than two people would be overdoing it for any sort of contest.

My personal opinion would be that solo editors running with groups of twos would still be plenty fair. Not sure if other people would agree though. If a lone mapper is confident in him or herself, well.. Good. :] If not, they could always find a friend.

If all else fails, a team could file their map under a different heading. We could have a heading for Solo entries, and one for Group entries. The finalists from each could be rated against each other in the end.

As a side note/thought, if this gets running, a new template map could be submitted by a random member each time. Who ever wants to do it, just to keep it fresh. So long as it's not overkill, and the majority agree.

-Tomorrow, I'll change up the post with a list of ideal setups.

I did not say i was leading it, windecker is im only providing a means. As for proboards it is one of the best out there, stop complaining and suggest some thing better rather than just trashing an idea (constructive criticism).

chasester

ps: Ive been on here for as long or longer then many of the admins, and ive have contributied more post then most people on this site, i am not a noob and should not be treated as such.

Not necessarily. A mapper could go solo if they are quite confident in their work, and just because they are going against a team doesn't mean the team is going to be able to pull something off that's any better.

The advantage of going solo is that you won't have to people with conflicting ideas.
( I'd go solo )

But, as I said in my previous post, we can split them up. Solo contestants, and team contestants would run their maps under a different heading.
The two would be judged separately, and perhaps in the end, the finalists of each could be judged against each other.

I agree with windecker that a solo artist should be able to beat a team of two. the team must schedule times to coperate online, and ideas are often misunderstood and complications come up. I do not think more time should be given to a solo comepetitor, if you choose to go solo you should be confident enough in your work that you can beat a team of two. imagine how much more praise you would get. I myself would do co-op only because in my absence ive forgotten many of cubes deeper functions, however i am great at geometry and texturing. (I dont even know how to make clouds FFS)

also wondered if custom textures/map models are allowed? I personally think that would be unfair.

Ever wondered why companies almost never exist out of 1 person? That's just because it's way more efficient to work in a team...

It's also way harder to coordinate, oversee the changes, direct the editing AND try to keep everyone focused on the main idea. Not everyone follows the same mind about a map, and the hardest and most annoying part in teamwork is looking after the others while they're editing to see if they're doing things right. meh.

Like i said before, when you got a team with similar minds and can work well together, you won´t have such problems...
If solo-mappers wouldn't get taken seperate of the team-mappers, you get that 1 mapper will sign in with 5 other people in 1 team, while actually only the 1st mapper makes the map, but he can asks legal for help on those 5 others.

So you get that people trade in "chancetickets" to the final, since those 5 other people only had to do a little work on the map (like giving advice, making the atmosphere a little better then it was before, etc).
This could get critical when those 5 other people do the same thing with other mappers (just like they did with the 1st mapper), by taking a different name and different ip.

On the first sight it looks a very dumb decision of the 1st mapper to do such thing, instead of going solo. But because he knows he always will have that backup, he can bring it further then if he wouldn't have that.

Any ideas how to solve the problem that people in teams sign in twice (with a different name and different ip)?

My apologies, but your grammar is not horribly great. I am have a lot of trouble interpreting the first half of your post.

There is no way to tell if somebody is getting help from other people, if there is no hard evidence.
The only solution is to trust people to hold a fair game. That's all there is to it.

Also, Raz is not saying that two people WILL have trouble coordinating their project, but there is a large chance that it will not go as smoothly as a solo project would.

I'm sorry for the grammar, long time ago since I did something about it :S.

Any ideas how to solve the problem people make > 1 account (with different ip) and vote > 1 times?

New accounts need to be approved, so rating with another account would require somebody to activate it, which may take a long time.

Also, I've been thinking that we should do comment based rating. I would like all the final entries on a single node.

Users would state submission number, and rating out of 10 in a comment.
Ratings would be tallied and averaged when everything is finished.
Ratings that are not serious ( excess of 10 ) will be deleted.

Also think about this.. anybody who has the time to make several accounts to vote up their work, rather than making their work worth looking at, shouldn't be in this at all.
( We can also look at post counts of users. If there are three users with one post each, all voting for one person, we may get suspicious )

For now, I'd like to think that nobody will try cheating. But we will see.
I'll cross that road when I get there.

1) This is not a company. This is a portion of a map.

2) Lets not let this turn into an argument.

If you don't like the idea of having solo and teams, go on the team.

Also keep in mind that nothing has been made final yet.

It would be great to have you.
It's preferred that you don't take content from an existing map. But there's really no way of telling if nobody has seen the content before.

The layout initially was not to be a playable map, but just an area to be made attractive. But whoever provides a layout could very well provide a playable map. So long as the size is not overkill. We don't want people going solo to look at this and walk away. It needs to be something that can be work on and made to appear professional in the set time limit. ( Though we could always raise the time limit accordingly )

Also, in the end with final entries posted on a single node, would it be possible to set up rating bars within the node? One under each map image. ( I'm not thinking so, but maybe some magic could happen )

If parts of unofficial contents are allowed, it's unfair for people wich post maps on quadropolis. I would suggest everything, or nothing...

By the way, how would you make sure everyone has the same ammount of time? Some people have a more busy life than others, wich would give those people a big disadvantage...

Like i said, if a team of mappers has similar ideas and mapping with almost no conflicts at all, it can create way faster and better maps than a mapper wich goes solo...

Any idea how you protect it will be a matter of friend politics?
Example;
Someone said he made the map all alone and the best part of the map is it's lighting. Strangely enough that person isnt't great at lighting and has asked behind the back of the community, another mapper (wich is great at lighting) to do the job.
What about that such things lead to disqualification?

Not much of a deal. If a person admits that he used the help of someone else and credits him, then its a team entry, even if the other person doesn't continue editing. Not much of an issue here, but if one lies about such matter a disqualification is probable.

Hmm, nice work^!
1 thing about that "help"... when can really call something "help"? When a person gave a mapper advice? or when an other mapper really edits in someone else's map?

I think it would be much easier if there would be a mappingcontest on just 1 time, live.
Every mapper just joins 1 server where he gets an area for mapping on (or more servers if there are just too many people, or the task
After that every mapper gets the same task, like creating a boat (as example).
He get's for the task a certain ammount of time (depends on the task, for a task like making a boat I would say 1 to 2 hours).
Making sure no-one will edit someone else's creation is just a matter of an auto-save script and several referees who follow a certain ammount of players.
Voting wich creation is best can be done just on quadropolis...

Any other things that would stop such event?

Issues with that idea: Not all mappers will be able to stick around as long as others
Great lag may be produced if several people are detailing to their hearts content.
Lighting would be a nightmare to do when trying to calculating with other people wanting to edit.
Latency between a mapper and server would also cause issues if they are far away.
Some people also like the Undo feature, and Vcommands. It will not go smoothly if maps are being sent over and over because somebody wants to use a vcommand.
( I detailed my template map just for fun, and in under a half hour I've used several hundred specific V commands for offset and scale )

Over all, editing online for something like this will cause nothing but trouble.

Also i would add:
Maping idt should be time to a tight schedule like one or two hours. Rather more of a deadline. This would allow for better maps. We could run a contest over a weekend, and allow users to imput there own textures and models. This would allow Contributors more time to create better maps. I did not see this contest as a speed test to see who can build the best map the fastest. Some maps just take time and time should be given.

chasester

PS: personally i think that a weekend maybe a lil short i was thinking more like a week or 2 weeks to submit maps. This give plenty of time for Contributors to create a good creation not a half bastardized one:)

I intend to run it for seven days. Or perhaps nine.

I'm planning to get it started on the 22nd, and allow 9 days, because some will be busy for Christmas. The idea though, is that many people will be off on break, and they may have lots of free time

At least you can be sure There won't be any cheating at all.
Lagging won't be a problem when there are several servers who provide plenty of room for every mapper around the world (like some servers that get hosted in USA and some severs wich are getting hosted in europe, etc).
You can always decide that vcommands will be done as finishing tough, so the mappers get even more competited that they have to plan what will be modified with vcommands and what will not.
This can be done by giving every mapper only 30 minutes offline-mapping-time, so they can modified their map to their wish.
If they won't post the map in those 30 minutes on something like quadropolis, too bad, nothing to catch as price...
On that way you tackle that people could get any help of other players, since it's not that much time for such action.

Undo commands? Putting something on the right position is a matter of experience and calculation. Get trained in it...

There are serversmods wich warn mappers when they use too small gridsize...
Mappers also could get warned to avoid working with very small and very big gridsizes. If they still ignore after warnings... too bad, no price...

Wow! Very nice. That would allow a significant degree of organization, and simplification.

A Quad node for the contest could be made, which links to your forum, containing all the info and content.
Only issue would be people having to make accounts. Though it is not a particularly large issue.

I can set it i think so they do not have to ... but it would be far ezier to keep track of people if they had accounts.

There should be accounts. No question about that.

Would you be able to contact me personally? I'd like to discuss this with you.

i sent you an email to what ever address quad sends it to ... it contains the admin username and password

as for talking ive got yahoo and msn ... or what ever just set somethin up

Right, I made a quick map, but I can't reply to the temp map thread there.

Really, proboards? I'm sure someone has something better to offer.

...and do you really want Chasester doing this?

ooo thanx for the vote of confidience .. i did not say i was incharge windecker is.. im just giving the means to use ... proboards is the best one ive found but if you have something better offer dont complain :p

chasester

fyi: ive been on quad as long or longer than some of the admins... i no what im doing

Do not let personal differences get in the way. Chasester is just as capable as any other person here. ( He may have made some questionable comments and whatnot in the past, but so have I, and most other people. )

Would be more tactical yes and pretty ironic on a epical way xD.

"congratulations, you won the template-contest! the price is that your template will be used as base for the mapping-contest!" :P.

That actually sounds like a good idea ( perhaps for the future )
A playable layout contest, then a "Detail this guys layout" contest.

Because that is not the idea of This contest.

i agree we should start with something basic and then we can move to something with further planing if this is a hit.

She's getting very crouded.
Chasester made this, I think we should use it: http://quadmapcontest.proboards.com/

hyperlinked ;)

failed ;)

LOL
second try

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also if you had ideas mentioned here about anything please put them in the suggestions board on the website so that we can disuse them further.

Have them make accounts then tell me their user names ( if they're different ) I will promote them to admins. As to the Contest we were projecting a 12/20 contest titled scohools out! This would be a simple design from template if u have more questions or want more details on what this means exactly it's layout at the website (things are a lil messy but imcleaning up now ;)

The reason for forking from quad is merely that quad is not structured to handle this format, with a traditional forum we can have more structure and organization which would be impossible here. I would not call it forking, QMC (quad mapping contests) serves an entirely different purpose than that of quad. QMC will only be used to help better users produce maps; help people work together to promote unity, thus better skills to each contributor.

Make Something Great
Chasester

QMC could very well become a sister site to Quad ( if that is the correct term ), if this catches on, and help maintain a level of activity on both. And as Chase said, any admins can retain their status.

Chase IS the webmaster.