I'm not even done yet creating the node >.>

Yes, freeze my comment so I can't edit it. (or is there a set number of times you can edit posts in a day? I've edited one of my posts a few times today, kept forgetting things.)

What if you changed the floor texture in some spots and did this kind of thing: http://i.imgur.com/mOa35tc.png

6/10 for now, because I know what you're capable of, and I know you can make this map far more appealing. I don't have any more suggestions though, I'd like to see what you come up with.

I did not freeze your comment, but replied to it. As you're not a moderator or admin; you can't edit the comment anymore.

Download the textures before actually loading the map.

I wasn't planning to add depth within the textures as they contain a quite low resolution. Adding depth within them makes the rest look pretty odd and unfinished.
I actually post maps to get more ideas than my very own or those of others on some public server =P. So there's not much more to come up with for me.

Yeeah.. I just noticed the description edit, sorry about that.

In the next release all Rabe's ideas are performed (except the skytexturing) and I certainly have thought of using different textures. But then the question; which? The theme should be preserved; somewhat futuristic industrial, yet not hardcore (as the bricks walls, etc show off).

I was thinking about tricking the e8 texturepack as something like lunaran, gibbie or trak5 feels too much in space, while something like the method texturepack are too civilised. What do you think about it?

P.S
Rabe, there's a waypoint-file included to blast some bots with rockets or grenades. I know they aren't replacing real people, but it's not a bad way to get a small touch during play.

First off: It's a very nice map, i like the flow and layout very much, also the oldschool approach. Nervertheless, some more things came to my mind:

I played some botmatches now. You should really make some changes to the item placement. The two rockets have been placed very close to each other. Falling down or using the teleporter, you need 1 second to pick up both. Same applies for two of the three (!) grenades in the center. Controlling those two rockets wins you the map, armors are not very important, if this setting is kept.

A possible solution would be something like this: Get rid of two of the grenades. Place one rockets in the tunnel, that leads to the green armor, but around the "corner", so you cannot see it form the middle of the map. Replace the two lights under the "sub ... 3"-sign with a little ledge/platform and put the second rockets there.

As you have been discussing textures: Choosing a different texture set would make it a different map, your approach was to make some oldschool map. So i would suggest not touching the texture set, it's quite original also, since not used in any other map this way.

If you think of aesthetic changes, make an attempt at changing the light and the geometry in some places. There are curved and cubic parts. I am not sure, if they work together that well. Ever thought of making it all round and curvy OR cubic and straight? Or maybe texture the cubic/straight parts and walls with that reddish brick texture and the curvy and bended parts with metal plates. Would be more consistent, imho.

Now: Lights. The light is too white. Really. Try to find another tone: Dark blue sun-/skylight and some slightly yellow/orange tone for the lamps. And some smaller contrast lights in the same dark blue tone. The yellow and green stuff around the armors is good, but get rid of all other colours (like the red), it's too disco, imo. Reduce ambient and reduce the amount of light sources, there is hardly any shadows/contrast.

(You seem to have forgotten to vscroll and light up that green pipe next to the green armor.)

Greetings
rabe

Well, the first approach for the geometry was to keep shapes simple; so no curves. I guess I failed at that =P. However, I had the very same idea of bringing in metal plates on the curves. But it would probably need a different texture as what has been used already as it would be overused else way. I could downgrade some textures like I did for the terrain_soc textures, but they probably won't fit that great next to the jf1 textureset.
About the geometry; I don't think there's a way back to making things cubic again. That would even mean a complete layout change.
I didn't forgot to add lights in that curve of the sewer as the tube isn't being powered like the tube near the GA. Perhaps I should make it more obvious though and make it somewhat broken (although that's quite difficult to perform).

I already found a solution towards the rockets; just switch them with the shells on the platform of the other teledest. The amount of grenades will be preserved like this as it's an underrated weapon anyway. People rather shoot any other weapon than pumping some glowing balls towards their opponent.

P.S.
Have you checked out the bugs described within the node?

Like what do you expect?
The geometry is off limits compared to other gameplay oriented maps (no other map on Quadropolis or a release uses diagonal trimmings which also are formed next to the curved walls). It contains originality and innovation within the gameplay and flow by using a teleport of different ways; the same for the armours.
The only thing which I would understand that you don't like is the textures but that's just taste which should be looked through. The lighting might not be that awesome but that's a work in progress.
Next to all that; it's still in Beta status so you can still have expectations. Just notice them within your comment. Perhaps they might be useful to gather inspiration from.

No offense, but considering how much you defame & nitpick on everyone else's content, some of us (myself included) feel as though you act like the self-proclaimed "god of cube". When you put out content like this (& your last map, the Egypt one, whatever it was called, had the gravity-defying stone block in the wall) it kinda makes it look like you're blowing smoke. Granted, you do have a map in the last release, & you are one of the most knowledgeable people regarding the Cube Engine, but I personally feel the last couple years since have just been an ego trip.
Just saying.
До свидания и заткнись
-P

I confirm all of this as I would fool myself by denying so. Nevertheless I am no god as only Eihrul, Quinn, Geartrooper and Nieb are. I'm not even a prophet. I'll never be even close to them no matter what. However, I rather try to inform and give feedback towards content of others. This is because content can always be improved and knowledge towards that should be spread, not concentrated. You might hate me by doing so but eventually, it pays off well for you due the new gathered information which you could use for future projects.
It's never my meaning to defame a person as we got others around on Quadropolis which are a pro in that.
Having someone tell that this map isn't what he expected from me with nothing of a grip any further may be considered the action to ask what his expectations were is pretty respectful as such comments could also be simply ignored.

Anyway, back to the map please.

Make the green plasma thingy glow with multiple colors.

A CTF map that's been excluded from PSL servers because the playerstarts were never team specified :')

It would take me ages to tell you how I'd do this map. And it will take ages to you to get and do it that way. why? cuz you're not me sir. I know this, so I don't tell you any single thing cuz I'm very sure you are able to understand it.
Do you really want me giving you the homework? It's not trendy.

@ Mysterious,
Hey man, haven't heard about you for a long time!
I wouldn't mind to chat on IRC; I'm still appearing on #sauerbraten at irc.quakenet.org now and then.

About the teleports; the one which can be accessed from 2 sides had a different direction before, as it was pointing towards the platform leading to the room of the very same teleport. But this results players (and most of all; bots) into a constant loop which obviously should be avoided. By removing the velocity again like a default teledest, it would make players too vulnerable against other players.

The next update is containing contrast, as the wall-texture has been brightened ingame and the dirt-texture jfrock.jpg has been replaced for a way brighter one, dirt01.jpg (and dirt02.jpg).

I know the map is still lacking "proper" textures, but that's actually the meaning (else it wouldn't be called "old style"). However, I've been thinking of retexturing the map, but perhaps another time (when I got some inspiration again).

Thanks for checking out and actually leaving a comment.

@ Zoocata,
The order of pickup up the rockets in the centre, running towards the GA and picking it up, taking the teleport, spawning right near another pack of rockets and eventually taking the YA sounds like a case which never happens as;
- You're starting in the centre; if you're opponent hasn't seen you, he is blind.
- The water around the armours makes it take about a second more to actually grab the GA or YA. I know the water can be avoided when taking a perfectly timed jump while taking a turn, but that still takes more time than just running over the spawnplace of the armours.
- The path to the GA is safe, but escaping from it isn't really that safe at all. The only way which the opponent wouldn't except you to do when taking the sewers is to riflejump on the beam which is attached to surface of the teleport and jump towards the hallway. But while doing that, the YA has been taken already by your opponent.
- The YA spawn time takes about 30 seconds since Collect edition, while the GA takes 20 seconds to respawn. So this makes it pretty tough to actually grab both armours.

Anyway, thanks for dropping a comment about it.