This map is okay.
I don't have much to say about it, because nothing immediately jumps out as immediately good or bad. There's some nice details, like the barbed wire, but nothing is memorable about this map. It really needs some interesting feature somewhere that sets it apart from others.
Also, the lighting is very plain, which just adds to the boring-ness of the map.

Well yes, the lighting is rather "plain", but there's not much more you can do with a daylight themed map imo. I will add some more features or details if more people find it necessary, because it does seem a little boring.

I'm looking more for comments on the gameplay and flow of the map though, because I can't really judge that myself. The one time I played it in insta pvp it was a somewhat low-fragging map and I'm thinking one or two of the hallways might need to go.

I know a lot of people hate turbine, or complex, but if you look at both of them they are probably the most boring maps in the game, yet they are both the two most played.

Thanks for the feedback though, anything helps ofc

The layout is practically a square with some corridors and a second floor, nothing really special, the map needs something special, there is nothing that stand out in the map, textures, background or buildings (wich is very important to me).

the map is okay, not really nice for insta, better for effic.
6/10 fabulous

Alright, will work on it's uniqueness, and the layout perhaps.
Thanks for the tip :)

The map pretty flat in layout (only 1 platform which makes it interesting). It could use some more depth in that.
The teleport (and it's jumppads) is pretty odd as there are other doors which present - just doors instead of a teleport =P.
Try to play with watercolour and waterfog a bit more, as the green sludge isn't convincing to me to be toxicating.
The jumppad-entity which launches you to the YA could be positioned a bit higher (as you can now be in the smoke while not being launched).
The cave is a pretty nice idea, but it could use a better texture (less repetitive). I know it's hard to achieve that, but I'm sure you'll be able to do so. Some more love on geometry aspect (as the HB platform) could do the job as well.
The map needs way more pickups (as in ammunition). It doesn't need that much health at all (4 healths is way more than enough instead of those 6).

I'll rate it 5,5/10 so far...

Do not upload content on several nodes. Just edit the older node (to preserve all the time and effort done by people reviewing the map). Do not delete the older node as well.

So just upload a new screenshot and file plus some improvement history.

Map updated

It looks much better than it used to.

I don't think you need to clip the pipes by the healthboost, there is no real reason to. And you certainly don't need to noclip the pipes next to the broken pipe spilling chemicals. No one would reasonably think they could walk through those pipes.

I also think you could turn down the main lighting a little bit. It's a bit bright for a rainy day, even on an alien world.

True, thanks for the comments.

I only noclipped those pipes on the wall so you could walk along that ledge, but yea it doesn't make much sense from a realistic perspective, I will change that. And the clipped ones in the cave were copied from the smaller ones on the top level so the clip just copied with it.

Also I thought the rain kinda went cool with the sunny setting instead of the typical dark rainy sky. But maybe a bit darker would be nice, wouldn't hurt to try it. Thanks for the tips

Hello Fatality!

My view on this map:

Theme:
What theme is it? I cannot tell. Industrial? Futuristic? Realistic/natural? It looks all mixed up and does not create a certain atmosphere.

Layout:
The basic concept is good, but it could be improved i a few places. I like the healthboost-room a lot, but it could use two more entrances from the sides, if possible even on different height levels. The crates in the center are pretty annoying, also that windows/"breakthroughs" in the big pillars are getting my nerves, counterintuitive and flowkilling.

Gameplay:
What is the point of placing two playerstarts right next to each other?
The items are not placed very well. Also, a big item floating in the air is a no go for me. Maybe you decide to take clear decisions like: This is the rocket-area/room, that is the bullet-platform, in that room, people will be able to pick up 50 healthpoints. Try to figure out a concept, how much ammo and health you want to be in that map - balance it out. Try to figure out, what weapon is useful in which place/room. It looks pretty random to me like it is now.
Also some items kill the flow (near walls/in dead ends). Generally it's a good decision to let people pick up smaller items by the way/flowing by and force them into more dangerous places/moves/jumps to pick up bigger items (like you did with the healthboost above the deathclip).

Texturing:
Basicly same point like the "theme": A very stange mix of different textures, some support shaders, some dont, some are industrial, some futuristic, some natural. The floor textures in the buildings are bad choices imo, very small and detailed, whereas the walls are empty and boring.
Try to figure out a set of 5 or 6 textures, that work together very well (2 floor-textures, 2 wall-textures, 2 ceiling-textures, maybe a rock- and grass-texture in addition). AFTER that is done, add trims to structure it. And AFTER that, think about details ...

Details:
There are some very nice details in the map, the shit/fecies running out of the pipes, some computer-like desks, some broken stuff. But all in all this also looks very mixed up. And - this makes the map look very stange - there are no proportions. Take a look at the pipes for example: very big and very, very thin and tiny pipes. It's the same with the window, very big and very tiny, they just don't fit the buildings. No proportions => no coherence => strange/"wrong" look. Try to think "realistic": Even if the buildings are not accessible: How many floors does the building have? How high are rooms inside? Where would an architect put a window for what purpose? how big should it be?

Light:
Pure white lights are boring and unrealistic. Try to find a more realistic slightly different tone, really just slightly, no disco please. If you have found that basic tone, try to find a contrasty to, just for smaller lights, some places to counter the basic tone.

The things said sound a little bit negative, nevertheless i think, it is a good map, which has potential.

Greetings
rabe

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Awesome advice rabe, thanks. I'll work on some of these things.

I few things I want to add though, not to argue with your points because they are very good ones, but just to explain why they might be how they are:
The theme is supposed to be an alien factory, so its supposed to be industrial and futuristic at the same time.
Also my logic with placing two player starts next to each other is to double the chance of spawning there, in hopes of balancing the map. I think a player might get frustrated if he keeps spawning in the middle of the map or something.
The yellow armour is floating in the air for the same point you said about placing large items in challenging spots, if you jump up to get the ya you are very exposed to most of the map and easy to shoot at.
Though this map seems to works better for ffa, I did intend for it to be an insta map and it's already almost too big for that, adding another corridor and entrance to the hb room will definitely make it too big - for my taste anyway.
Fan|epsilon made the factory building in the background if that's what you are referring to when you say tiny windows, I think he intended for it to appear further away than it actually is.
When you say "windows/breakthroughs", do you mean the window in that storage tank/pillar? If so, does it get in the way when you are running around the map or is the window itself annoying to look at?

Thanks for the tips, I will work on the other things you mentioned :)

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love the map, happy you finally released it :D

Map updated once more.
I struggled a bit with trying to find the right textures that would work well with the map, and after realizing it would need a complete rework to look better I've decided to release it as is. I have moved on to other maps and think this is as far as I will go with this one. If anyone wants to rework it with some nicer textures please feel free, but for now I'll say the map is finished. Enjoy :)