Fallout | Quadropolis

Pyccna | 2013-12-31 21:30

Fallout

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A map set in a war-torn city.

Map file fallout.zip (4.87 MB)

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Mmeaninglez | 2013-12-31 22:13

first thoughts:

Looks nice, could use some work on the lighting, but it's okay. Actual slopes and different levels, rather than the flat look some of your maps have.

DEATH SPIKES??? Good work on the sound for the spikes, but that is just not a good idea for gameplay IMO (especially as you can stand in fire elsewhere in the map with no ill effects)
EDIT: Especially the ones that are hard to see right behind some barricades. FFFFFFfffffff I had max armor and lots of ammo!

Make the sewers continue and just have them blocked by bars or something. Your maps usually have lots of detail, and the flat wall ending the sewer looks lazy and incomplete.
also, lower the water a little bit in the lower one so the ledge on one side actually helps you get around.

there is a stack of crates leading to a hole in the roof. (by the "catwalk")It looks like you can jump out the hole. NOPE. lower or move the stack since you don't want players to go there, because they will try. You hit your head on nothing jumping from the top of the stack.
EDIT: You did it again, by the base "the offices"

Clip/noclip the "fallen office" you can get stuck on the spiked wood when you jump through it

Pyccna | 2014-01-01 05:36

Thanks for the fast review,
I made the office roof hole into another playable room with the 3rd floor semi-visible but blocked
I removed the catwalk roof hole
I clipped/noclipped the splinters in the fallen office
I removed the spike traps in front of the lock-down doors (the big doors), so they're only on the sloped roads now
I made it look like the sewers continue on via blocking bars
EDIT: In anticipation, I've changed some of the jersey barriers into shield walls to provide more cover.
До свидания и Спасибо
-P

IgC | 2014-01-02 11:50

This looks nicer than your usual works. I'll take an accurate look..

mmh. I've expected more from the screenshot, there are a lot of things wich needs to be improved but it's for sure you're best map right now.
You should really focus on this, especially on details wich looks kinda "rought". You shouldn't try to match urban_c's detail level. We're in 2014 now.. it's time to go over..
Maya [wich knows a lot about cubes (look at their buildings)] told us that if the world didn't end in 2012 then it's time to build incredible details!

I'll list the things wich hurted my eyes the most [numbers are just to put it easy — random order, there is no priority]

choose a theme
And then follow it. Looking at the landscape's buildings and other details around it seems that we're in the future, but the whole texturing isn't helping a lot to define what's the theme. You should try to give more atmosphere to your maps.
the fake water
A nice effect, but it doesn't look so cool in the flat street where it arrives. There should be some more water on the ground, not the effect disappearing.. it doesn't make sense to me, looks weired. I'd try to model the street and lower it in order to put real water on the flat surface. You can even go further and say that the tank is already half empty, enlarge the hole, deform it on the upper side, make some more scraps and put water inside: you'll have a good camping spot/ half hided pickup
those little ramps
Wich should be cables but still look likes ramps. There is a proper way to do that thing. Anyway if you put teleports you can even put jumppads.
the broken glass trick
1. Glass breaks in quite straight lines and it's very thin. You could have done it in a bigger GP and still thinner.
2. The same texture on the same wall pretending to be the same glass should look the same, so you should build little rooms behind all those windows. It can be a great way to add some more details and coloured spotlights. And why not, playerstarts.. where they can add something to the gameplay, oc.
the sewers
One level [upper] with less water looking dirty, one leve [lower] with more water looking cleaner than a swimming pool.. it's brighter than anything else if you look it from the upper level.. Anyway the whole thing, even if it looks good, it's not well designed to me. Too straight.. campish, boring. You should improve them a lot thinking to something wich adds a level of gameplay. What about a huge hole somewhere in the streets wich links all the levels? could be a great gameplay add if put in the right corner of the central building cuz it would show all the map height in just one blink.
those huge doors
The shape is ..mmh.. dunno, but the light.. just comes from nowhere! :P give us lightspots! [will look cool if you put them in the ground] AND they seem to be cutted in the wall's texture... mmh.. some kind of frame? no? little lit? no? :|
central building of the bigger area
makes no sense. There are several things wich doesn't collide where they should, textures wich miss their continuation on the other side.. the floors seems to be wooden and so you put a wooden stripe outside. But you forgot to make them all the same height! Can't you just use the grid and copy>paste such things? meh :/ The quad's room isn't even high enought to jump. You should really put some effort in that building.. it's the center of your map.
emergency stairs
leading nowhere. all ppl died in flames.. not so cool. Put some more details on them too. Such structures should be very light, use thinner frames then.. no more cubes needed, just thinner. It will look way and way better.
the fallen piece of building
really looks like a strange wooden building in the middle of the street. If you think you need something there why don' you just link the sides of the street with another lower building? you can make a some parking slots in the piece of street that you earn. Plus you won't have the oblique piece of street you hate so much [i've noticed many not nice things where cubes should merge..].
and don't use one big fire particle, place more but little.. it's not nice that way
this
looks really horrible. not just the "lion-head-decoration" texture, even the wall's and how you merged them in single cubes.. it's horrible.. do it by indenting the decorative-texture's section. And change it in the stairs cuz it's obviously horizontal.
45° stairs
most of the stairs around the map are 45°. Now, in the real world you see such stairs just in very old buildings, like castles' towers.. in sauer, where you're some kind of beast wich walks 100km/h and jumps 10 meters long you can't put such stairs, you always hit the ceiling running down.
there is an error
in the quad room, where the stairs gets into the wall, those that actually lets you reach the quad, cuz the others are just for the healthboost... the biggest thing in the middle.. but from the quad room you can get the healthboost in just one jump; that's the real error :/
the spikes
wich kills you with a monster's gun sound. actually there are all the other player tryn' to kill you, it's quite enought.. plus those spikes kills the gameplay a lot because pratically avoid duels on the streets.
that so long wooden ramp
it looks longer than an highway, it's longer than 2 of your tanks.. faces gravity well.. and ends framed in the fallen building. just to say
the tanks
the model may look ok but the texture is mmh, like 12x12px? less? I think I can count them even running on it shooting ppl.. just no.
graffitis/murals
mmh.. no? it's a good idea but give us more background-feeling with them. back to point 1.
some of them are higher than the streets' lamps, who's supposed to read them? godzilla?

I've spent a lot of time on your map and I still can't figuer out how good [or bad] the gameplay will be.. but since I've already spent a lot of time I won't test it.. I wrote a lot, and I've been detailed.. don't crush my review.
Your map is [cites meow] one step away from beeing good.
then whose step is it is another question.. maybe for your map is more likely a cloverfield-big-monster's step but as far as I can see you have no fear in facing the hardwork.
Don't start other things. Go on with this.
And maybe sometimes join some coopedit :3

It took me so much time that while I was writing this I've fed the dogs, then [almost not] seen 2 episodes of babylon 5 and cooked and ate dinner.
phew..

And I've even merged some points..

Suicizer | 2014-01-02 19:56

Content
After a first watch, I wasn't really font of the screenshot. It shows off pretty much, but it also shows the lackings of the map right away. Well, that's the purpose of a screenshot right?
The packaging is excellent, good job on that.
You can't just license a skin which has a base from other textures (in this case, Trak5). Credit the original author first and follow the original license (in this case, MIT).

Texturing
The texturing itself is much more diverse as your elder creations. That's really a pluspoint. They often fit their geometry as well, which is another good thing.

Instead of using mapmodels as decals, you could have used setshader decalworld instead this time. The textures brick_wall_01 of subverse, the 2_conc_wall02 of rorschach and mur09 of dg aren't using any bump-mapped texture at all (as you specified them). This would save unnecessary models while the result is the same.
You could also call up the trak5 textures instead of scaling them down on the tank-model (just group them and allocate a certain texture coordinate). This saves up file-size and raises the quality a lot. It has some texture-bugs anyway.
I like the scrolling water out of the watertank. However, it could use some bump-mapped texture.
There are a lot of lamps which still need some texoffset and even texrotate.

Geometry
It seems like you've skytextured certain surfaces outside the map already (good job!). But surfaces of the buildings which can't be seen anyway from the playground don't need any lightmaps as well.

Lighting
The lighting of those huge doors is very dull (full red or full green while nothing emits such light). There is no proper reason why they are lighted like that.
The rest of the lighting isn't the biggest concerns of the map. It is light, the end.
The fire particles outside could contain some light-entity as well.

Detailing
It's not a good thing to copy details from other maps. In your case; the spotlight from the official map Donya. It may be legal (as the map is MIT-licensed), but it reveals that you aren't able to make your own details. Yet again, you should notify such thing in the description of the map.
Using details from the map urban_c (the windows) is actually a no as it has no license, which means you shouldn't touch it in the first place, only watch it.
It seems like you love particles. They aren't bad, but watch out! They eat a lot of performance when using in large numbers or containing a large size.
All of the glass is just copy-pasted, which looks quite cheap. It's cool that it's broken, but make them more unique as well.
Those tanks contain more than 13K of vertices and 15k of surfaces! That screams for some optimization, doesn't it?
The rest of the details seems to be fine and look pretty good.

Clipping
The clippings seems to be OK, not much to say about that on first sight. There are some pieces of concrete lying around (for example, at the gab which still is unclipped on 1 of the higher floors of the map. That could use some clipping as well), those could use some noclip.

Flow
The flow of the map seems pretty good, but that's not hard when it's that open. However, steep spiral staircases (like the one towards the Quad and HB) aren't such a good idea, as they make you vulnerable for no reason (a quick trickjump with some rocket or grenade launches you to the Quad or HB way quicker then taking the "safety" stairs).
I would advice to drop the idea of sewers. Why? Because they are sewers; long narrow places which feel very uncomfortable with a 100% chance of dieing. You can't dodge anything in them and they are only safe when you're sure only you contain the Quad and some YA (while you still have to find some opponent stupid enough to get into the sewers). Their entrances to the main floor look very cheap as well. So not a great addition to the map.

Gameplay
1 part of the map (the area which has climbable ropes to some building) has no bases at all; which means you're pretty screwed when spawning out there (as the nearest base takes a very long walk compared to the other playerstarts). Spawning inside the sewer; you're a dead rat as well. The base inside the sewer is virtually impossible to take over as you can't dodge the rockets at all and all entrances can be covered easily (while you still receive ammo from the base).
I have to agree with one of the previous commentators; it's quite lame you die from those spikes, but not from a wall of fire (like inside the building).

Overall
Using parts of official map should not be done as they aren't yours at all (in this case, a building from urban_c). Even if the license would allow so, to copy someone's others creations is still a bad thing as it's not that hard to come up with anything better.
- Decals can be replaced by using shaders.
- Surfaces of buildings can still be skytextured.
- Tank-models can be optimized.
- Lesser particles could be used (or less big).
- Certain details should be replaced.
- Broken stuff could be (no)clipped.
- The idea of sewers could be dropped.
- The bases need a better placement.
- The layout has to be made from scratch only, not parts of other maps.

That's it for now, I'll rate it 5/10 (you won't get higher ratings from me when using stuff made by someone else).