I'm aware of the fact that minecraft mods are pretty popular. However, the engine which they use isn't free as far as I know (so they tend to be illegal?) and it doesn't seems to be related to Cube Engine (2) (although that's a discussion we'll keep later).

https://minecraft.net/terms

minetest is not a minecraft mod. It is written from scratch in C++, with lua scripting and proper UDP+TCP networking, whereas Minecraft is written in Java, is crap and has crap TCP-only networking.

I don't know if Xonotic has it's own community mapping site, but then again, I don't know all that much about Xonotic. I do know that people map for Xonotic though, so if that fledgeling community merged with Quadropolis, that would probably be nice. Anyone who plays Xonotic regularly please respond about this if you see it, because I'm out of my area of knowledge.

Well, the DarkPlaces Engine seems to be a good candidate which would fit Cube Engine (2)'s profile.

Xonotic is sexy

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Most active admins, moderators and even users are trying to take down the 'illusion' of aggressive and/or negative feedback on nodes of newcomers by providing positive feedback as much as possible. There has been organized certain events (like SPMC) to 'tickle' newcomers to post content on quadropolis. Even a specific category (mapping ability) was once added to content creation so people would be notified that the creator needs rather supportive feedback than just telling what is wrong with a certain node.

Despite all that, as it seems to take about 4 weeks (or even longer, like those of the SPMC event which took over 3 months) to make a proper map (with a layout which is worth playing and looks good), most beginning mappers aren't that dedicated to spend for such a long time on just 1 map.
Next to being 'forced' to spend a long period of time on just 1 map, the minimal tolerance of being a good map on Quadropolis raises every time a node has been created which looks better than the previous best node. As Quadropolis exists for more than 8 years, that bar has nearly reached sky high for most people actually. So maybe we should lower the quality standards of Quadropolis a little once more (yet still praise the impressive looking maps made by 'elites')...

I still think that rewarding a user in another way then ranking him to super user, moderator or only giving them the status of that rank is a good way as well to promote content creation (something like stars just in their profile field?).

Oops, sorry for going off-topic on my own node, so let's head back to the real case!

Back in the good old days, Quadropolis had about twice the activity as it has now (as in creating nodes), but about the same amount of people logging in and out during the day (can't fully check that as I wasn't admin back then, but I doubt that it would be other wise =P).

The suggestions are very good to hear and here is some reaction on your feedback;

There have been many attempts to get a 'Quadropolis Server', but they often turned into some server mod which would be able to send .cfg-files and other content as well next to the regular .ogz-file (in other words; a brainstorm session which turned into a brain-hurricane).
To actually get a server online (which IgC already stated as well) is good thinking, but I rather advertise on other public servers at first (because there are already so many unused servers and to try out how much just doing that pays off). Not sure how the other admins think about it, but that's my opinion...

The idea of only being cool if my map gets into the release, I guess that's a hard illusion to ban. Any ideas are welcome.

There are already a lot of tutorials (even prefabricated files like .cfg-files), I guess they just aren't that easy in reach...

Interviewing mappers, fraggers and clan leaders seems like a very cool idea and I think it would be really refreshing next to content creation, polls and comments.

The map testing cups seems like pretty tricky to do but perhaps it could work.

I guess as your suggestions all rely on an ingame server, perhaps we should try to actually host one.

It may be a lot of work, but our team is currently 6 admins and 5 moderators. I'm sure we could figure a way out to let certain persons do 1 of your suggestions. If not, I guess you are free to sign up to do a certain task (as you actually came up with certain ideas).

Thanks for the warming feedback, really get's appreciated!

P.S.
Maybe we should find out a way so admins/moderators won't 'burn up' after being very active and just leave Quadropolis for eternity (while someone else tries to replace them). This happened to Quin and Nieb (and many, many more) while they actually are the ones which should be kept as well (but rather take a step back instead and let someone else be in 'charge', while they still overview the situation and take back over control when things turn to the wrong way). An example of that is a certain moderator which is planning to leave Sauerbraten (or at least for a while), which would be a shame to lose as he showed his actual talents lately.

I agree with you, that we should focus more on our existing community than on people other game engines. I also think that we should have, aside from only feedback to actual game content, some more free discussions about various topics, which wouldn't necessarily have to have something to do with the game itself, but with other aspects of the community. Interviewing certain people is an excellent idea, we really need to do that! Another IMO very important point you mentioned was getting some fraggers to Quadropolis. It would higher the activity if the community wasn't spread over hundreds of forums, but concentrated a bit more on one, while it would also give Quadropolis a bit more variety, if we had a more mixed group of people (actual players besides mappers and coders).

I'd be glad to help out with turning those ideas into reality!

Last i checked, the main reason fraggers didn't come here was basically summed up to: "it's a site of editors for editors where people don't care about gameplay, and also it sucks."

I don't oppose the idea to unify the community, but people will think of several reasons, good or not, to NOT come here.

I think we should start with having some news section about tournament results and what else is going on in the fragging scene. Mabe we could even find a fragger who'd do that for us.

I also think that fraggers generally are interested in the new content for the game they are playing... While on the other hand you see discussions like on the map Depressions' node, which are definitely not what we want Quadropolis to be like :/

Well, I guess the server would need some database for statistics (of ingame play).

About the discussion on Depression (the one with a_teammate), we were attempting them incorrectly. We could rather state something like "as you keep playing, then we'll keep mapping". Reading back that discussion actually seems like a_teammate only tried to point that map shouldn't be sized for 3 vs 3 while the intention is to be a duel map.

Correction: interesting in new content they make. All the new maps in collect edition have failed to change much to their habits. It's just the same old rotations everywhere, with the occasional new map popping up and everyone goes #mapsucks.

I play somewhat frequently, and while I mostly agree that the playing community doesn't like the new features, there are a few good things. The biggest problem with Collect edition was the collect gamemode, because the optimal strategy is basically spawncamping.

However, most of the new CTF maps get decent playtime. The only ones I don't see played much are mbt4, kopenhagen, evilness (though that's played a bit) mill, and siberia.

I though ogros.org or one of the clans kept stats on the most-played maps, but I can't find it now.

https://github.com/MartinMuzatko/Cube2Mapping

it is a start.

also agreed!

definite +1 to this idea. My suggestion about this would be to have a starred content on quad that is a mappack of good maps from Quad that would be on the server, and the server clearly named as using those custom maps. The key to using custom maps is to make them easy to find and get, rather than having to go to each individual node to get them.

as i said earlier, if we can get more RE maps on Quadropolis then doing such in that game is very easy, the server could keep the maps for those without them

Sigh, were the hell are you talking about once more? This poll isn't about a request thread towards the developers.
Also please don't refer a 'short version' of the poll's topic as it works confusing (especially in this case, as it's not what is meant).

It's a poll which you can put your idea about a game that fits in the same profile as games on Cube Engine (2) (or game engines which are similar as Cube Engine (2)). Think about Cube, AssaultCube, Sauerbraten, Red Eclipse or even Tesseract.
If you have voted for advertising more along the community within the game engine, share your ideas how to tickle new (perhaps fragging instead of mapping) blood.

For the people which think Quadropolis would betray it's base game engine, in my opinion that is untrue as players happen to switch between games frequently (and so game engines). So you could also see it as a way of getting more people interested in Cube Engine (2) and all it's stand alone mods.

Hello Suicizer,

Your point: Not enough Quadro users -> more advertising/widespread!
My point: The main games lack players -> therefore Quadro does. More ads & games != more users & players!

IMO, we need to fix our fundament first -> so that's my "Let's do some different kind of action, like [comment]..."-suggestion for next months poll!

best wishes, meow! =)

... its already free?

i think that entire comment needs to be removed.
"a game that belongs to all of us"

Censored due the cause of keep trying to change the subject. All admins, stop replying/editting this comment.

Afaik the developer is only one and he doesn't have time for all of your guys' shit :P

Rosen fields with blue skies and clear rivers might be easy to imagine, but sauer's pretty much the city's waste dump. Abandon hope all ye who expect something better.

I don't have much to say, i've already repeated my opinion on the matter enough times before, i rest my case.

FIRST of all, "developers" at this time, is only eihrul with the occasional help from the rabbit.

if you want to transform sauerbraten then PERHAPS YOU SHOULD START DOING IT
"speed it up for slow PC's" is harder than you might think. I'm not even a programmer but i have enough experience to know that what you propose is not easy and impractical.

STOP trying to start a bunch of shit, or I will remove you and all evidence of your intentions from this section of the internet.

your freedom of speech can be excercised elsewhere for all we care. we do not want your destructive attitudes around.

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Now i'm not trying to take anyone's side, but "destructive attitudes"? Not sure where that fits :P

In any case, i'm content with just NOT reading more of these "suggestions", so long as he gets on with it. Talk is cheap where progress matters most.

Skiing, I can only say this is pretty much uncalled for.

As i wrote several times now, this is not a work put on the developers, but should be a joint effort by the community to collect ideas and get their ok so we (whoever wants) can start helping. Rest assured I'd like to help a lot with this.

I don't know who "for all we care" is and what I did to you personally or in general to justify such an outburst. I hardly know you. If you have a problem with me personally, please pm me and I hope we can figure it out.

The developers of sauer made an incredible effort programming a brandnew game and putting it under a free software/open source license. Much of its content like weapon- & playermodels, quite some textures and maps are already under such licenses.

However, a good part by the community of it is only freeware. That means a lot of stuff explicitly asking you not to alter or redistribute it further, some content unclear wether you can actually copy it.

This is keeping Sauer from a large audience, not having it to declare "freeware", bigger distribution platforms and auto-updates, in Linux' case.

We could clean Sauer up together, ask old creators to relicense their works, speed it up for slow PC's (e.g. 300k cubemaps are often too much for old hardware), more pretty textures and new mapmodels.

I am writing this on quadro, since this is the oldest and one and only community site big enough to make a change. My intention is not to step on anyones shoes and I don't believe things are the way they are out of ill-will.

I very much believe that we could achieve something amazing and unique together. And I would be happy if I could be a part of it and a help in this, and know I'm not the only one.

Thats why I ask to have one of the next months polls to collect ideas, opinions and good will about this topic. So, if the community is up for such an intent, we could approach the developers with ideas and offer joint support from fraggers, mappers and artists alike.

I do know its still a ways away but hopefully when Revelade Revolution is done maybe we can add it to the site it is based off the same engine as Sauerbraten and Red eclipse (well the tesseract engine technically). It will offer different game play then both other games as its more focused on teamplay and better clan support.

Right now the progress is going well but with more help and support we can probably have it done within a fewfew months.

Ed