Well, that's why the blue base isn't done; the massive amount of lighterrors which are being caused by the trims.

Alithia is a very different kind of map compared to this, on any actually all aspects.

Don't be afraid I would remake much more maps of Open Arena, I just like pul1ctf because of it's original abstract theme (even it actually wasn't intended to in it's original), proper flow and the layout which is open, yet providing enough cover to navigate.

Any statement of how to actually improve the map, instead of showing how you based your score?

Other people know a similar map in a completely different game and base their voting on that. Some want to see fancy lights, some want to see blended textures. I want to see a map with good flow and very clean appearance and base my voting on that.

I was talking about being original to Sauerbraten, else nothing anywhere would actually be original.

People care too much about originality these days. As long as a map is well made, why scoff at the fact that similar maps in style have been made? I don't get it.

We used to use the term "original" as a means to push people into expanding to new grounds, and here you come speaking of "this isn't original, bleh" because similar maps exist. Get real.

"...but now I just wonder why start porting maps from other games to sauer?"
because they are fun to play?

Sure, let's make a million more maps with simple arch, 3 textures, fancy shaders and lots of colors!

That's not my intention of this map. I noticed a couple of months ago that the texturesets which are provided by Sauerbraten (especially the egyptoc, techsoc and trak5) are very overused (which makes you think - not another map with those).
As Sauerbraten's history of maps only contains 3 maps which could be considered containing an identical to similar theme (which are sdm1, sdm2 and wake6), it's still pretty original (especially compared to other themes).
Don't be afraid, you just have to get used to this theming.

+1

SHHH. Or make something better yourself.

Why don't you an hero yourself and save us the trouble of explaining how you are not supposed to rate a map on its originality but its quality and playability instead?

I appreciate the support, but I would rather like to know how he based those other points as well and what his suggestions are to improve it than keep yelling about originality.

The map is not original, and I already told you how you could improve.

Instead of copying exactly the same thing from OpenArena, why didn't you bother and add more details to the map, eh?

You are a good mapper, you could as well have added some decal textures, and maybe improve on the architecture of the map itself (like adding some cracks on the floors or walls, etc). To make it more unique for Sauerbraten.

Also, this kind of map themes are more for games like CPMA Quake (or DeFRAG Quake) and Warsow. What is the point of every game having maps that the other games have?

Finally did you ask the original author permission to port his map to sauer? I don't even see his name in your files (other than the credit section of this node)

@bosurgi
SHHHH yourself. I could map better if I would. I just don't have the time. I have a life.

@razgriz
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P.S.: guys, don't take me wrong, sui is a good mapper (and an annoying commenter :), but I'm just affraid of these kind of map themes becoming common to Sauer. And why are you so mad at my comments, if the one who includes all maps in Sauer is eihrul? It always was: if he likes a map, it will be in.
Everybody has the right to voice his opinion, I give my opinnion as a Sauer player. So, Y U NO chill?

I have not ported his map to Sauerbraten, as that's just impossible to do so (because the Quake 3 engine isn't compatible with Cube Engine 2 at all), so I built it all from scratch.
Because of that I actually don't even have to credit anyone, yet I do so.

As side information, Open Arena is fully GNU GPL version2, which means you're free to copy, distribute, modify and even sell the stuff if you want - as long as you pass this right also. Next to that, you would have to credit the original author (which I did in the content; there's no need to put an author's name in every line of text).
So the only possible problem could be that the map shares a license which is non-commercial. I doubt it that such thing would be an issue, as people aren't selling maps to any other persons on a non-commercial game platform (why the hell would they?).

Don't be afraid such theme would become popular, as there are already lots of such abstract themed maps. They just are a "little" less abstract as this one.

My bad, what I mean is you replicated the same map. It's your decision to copycat a map, but why didn't you make something original of your own with this theme instead.

You're a good mapper, why waste time mimicking other games maps?
That's why you get low rate from me.

Sincerely I don't know how you could improve this map, changing its theme would defeat the purpose in the first place...

I already have some ideas, but I don't think I'd finish it before the actual release (I'm too busy fixing stuff on evilness at the moment, like lighting, layout and details). I'll just try as fast as I can.

Why copying a map from another game? That's because the layout is very saueristic. Most players love open maps, but they still need some boundaries like cover and an actual path to the flag. This layout provides that 100%.
Another reason is because I attempted to give Open Arena the chance of being explored by other people than the Quake (3) community. It isn't a very common game, while it's not as bad as being told. Of course a lot of people already explored so, but it's not bad to tell about it (and actually somewhat "promote" it) by releasing one of it's maps.