+1

The map seems very empty. And why isn't the outside water deathed or clipped? Just take the flag and go to the corner of the map why don't you lol.

You obviously don't realise that this is a remake of his 'caribbean' map, fixed for CTF. That's why Suicizer says he is running out of ideas, because 'haste' is also a remake of a map he had made.

same as rush ;)

There's nothing wrong with, but gets boring to catch overname. Next to that, it appears just as a cheap and lazy way to produce a ctf-map. There hasn't been put effort neither passion in the map because of that.

Overall, I think the new take on it is kind of nice and tighter thematically than the original Caribbean map it came from. It just needs to be finished/polished up, and I could include something like this.

So you claim it's very nicely done for fast flagruns but you haven't even tried it out yet? Seems legit. :P

what gave you the impression that i haven't? and what made your mind go into catfight mode? i just haven't measured the times and couldn't take the flag with me, because we didn't include flags yet?!

Only person in catfight-mode right now is you, acting like somebody stole your pillow.

"Looking forward to play it."

That kinda thingy is what drove me to wrote my reply, so there you have it >_>

Maybe being in one and the same clan with t-chen gave star the possibility to check the map out in a status which isn't uploaded yet.
just a wild guess

Don't be a smartass, walker. there are some guys who don't play in clans and who interpret the word "to play" as: checking the map out. whereas others might consider it to mean: playing it in an clanwar match with more than, well... just yourself *fapfap*

...well said!

7 seconds? I manage to get the flag in 5 seconds without even using any trickjumps from 1 flag to the other (so about 11 seconds to score when you would spawn). In other words, that's way too tiny for a ctf map. It should be extended like at least 2 times to get some proper layout (maybe even 3 times). Next to that, if this would be played then it obviously will be played with 20 people (as the servers permit these days. I know the map isn't designed for that but you can count on such numbers), which will overkill the map.

T-Chen, Sauerbraten still isn't supporting the png-format as loading screenshot. When will you ever learn that?

Off course we play the map ! Or would we otherwise be able to give a feedback on the gameplay then ?
And as I said, I like the style and dislike some parts in layout.

Is it a shame not to vote 10/10 for every t-chen map, that has been released so far ?
That wouldn´t meet the "soul" of quadropolis ;)

that's not my point, lot's of t-chens maps are just unplayable... no 10/10 from me neither...

but you talk about 5 secs flagruns are too fast... ofc they are when you don't get shot at!
in my experience maps like for example reissen (which is of the same size) are so much fun to play, because you don't need to waste your time to score! it's more fun to win with 10:x, than playing annoying 10 minutes with a score of 1:0, just because you weren't able to score.
so back to my point, you notice that only if you actually play real games and not just hop over maps writing down a checklist that reads: this geometry sucks, this path is too fast, that light is to bright, the textures suck and if you jump here you get stuck. which i read more and more as comments.

but please don't get me wrong, most of the input you guys give makes good contributions and suggestions. but lot's of times it's about stuff that is an editors choice and does not contribute to the map gettin loved to play! if you actually play clanwars, than you would have noticed that the only maps - played over and over again - are: forge, dust2, and reissen. i am sick of that and i think we need more of this maps that are so loved to be played. the point of makin maps like this one bigger, so that it reaches maximum sizes like the one of xenon, just doesn't match the fast, linear gameplay which sauerbraten possesses.

ps: sorry t-chen for highjackin this comments ;)

Focussing your view when designing a map on the aspects of people who play clanwars is foolish, as most of those person have no idea what it takes to make a map, neither to make a proper layout. Next to that, Sauerbraten ins't focussed on clans at all, but more on big community matches where at least 16 players are devided into 2 teams and are making their opponent's base as uncomfortable as possible while stealing their flag. It's an illusion that clans actually exist as the game itself supports it barely.

Now about those flagruns;
It pretty fair to take them without any opponents involved, as that case exists. Next to that, trickjumping is excluded, which in a lot of cases could decrease the time of the run (take reissen for example). Those 2 compensate each other pretty good without creating a difficult formula just to get some general time of flagruns.

all i ever wanted to know...
well, what happens to a game that can't maintain a respectable size of clans / players who like to share a common passion can be observed in the actual developements of warsow... keep the good work up!

oh btw, without players, this 'game' isn't a game...

bla bla bla all of you, you're going off track and this is annoying, cut it out already. you can go cry about your disagreements in some other thread.