Beautiful map!
Perfect replacement for Venice :p

WoW !!
I am absolutely in love with this map !

The detailing is great, the lightning is good, the "venice"-like gameplay sucks, but i love it like that.
Also the texturing could be done better sometimes (snow as a bridge ? :P) and the shape of the roofs is a little bit hard to walk at, but I can´t find any further complaints.

This is an awesome masterpiece !
10/10 *

I think there are so many places to camp, that these roofs wont mind ^^

This map is superb, really. It's like someone took Venice and made it complete. I especially love the multileveled outside, gave it a real interesting topology.

Just a side note, is this ( http://i.imgur.com/6VsN5.png ) a texturing error or something?

Hehe wasn't expecting this map on quadro ^^!

Content
The screenshot seems to be ok. It's not revealing a lot, though it shows off the theme and such on a subtle way.
Excellent packaging...
You can even play it on Singleplayer? Haven't seen a single monster while doing so. Neither was able to find the carrot.

Theme
As several others have already stated, it looks very similar to venice. But unlike that map, there have been added several things which fits Sauerbraten like it currently is.

Texturing
The texturing is sometimes a little odd. As for example, the mm-brick71a isn't feeling right on a wall, as it is more meant to be used outside a building. There are some more of such examples, but that probably is one of the most clear in that category.

Geometry
The map counts A LOT of wtr. 310k of world triangles is a lot, even for a justice map (it reduced to 247k of wtr on SVN). Try to consider which thing are really noticeable and can't be done without using geometry. Take from example the trimmings on the windows, which could also be a texture for a part.
Also the inside of the windows which carries the concrete-tan texture of the nieb folder, could use way less wtr by putting the surface equal to the normal wall.

Lighting
There are a lot of light-entities inside the houses, but actually never any light-source. This looks pretty unnatural.

Detailing
There have been added some details. I understand adding even smaller details would be a waste as the map already is very heavy to render, so I won't comment about that.

Clipping/Noclipping
The clipping seems to be fine.

Flow
As I'll compare the map to venice, it has some better flow as that map. The only thing which could be done better is the size of the doorways, as they often are very tight (they could also be higher, but that's not the biggest problem).
Nice to see you can't bump your head against the ceiling when standing in a room.

Gameplay
There have been added plenty of playerstarts (40, very nice ^^!), but not enough ammo for a proper amount of players (like 24). Be sure to add way more, because even for a 2 on 2, the amount already is pretty low.

Overall
The map seems to be an improvement of venice. As I'm not a fan of such gameplay and flow (while some new generation often is more), I won't comment about that a lot. I'll rate 6/10 for now.

hmmm...nice map!!...even if i dont like the size(i didnt like venice aswell).... and some clipping could be improved cause i got sucked a few times!
but the work you did on this couldnt be overlocked!!
gj 8/10

I think that it turned out pretty nice. Glad that I was able to pull some weight in this project. Lighting looks much better than it did a couple weeks ago. Love the gameplay (miss the sewers) ^^

This map is pretty good in jumping from one building to another trying to hit and run the cm clan that made the map was fun awhile it lasted.

Awesome map!
Sure some rooms could be filled with furniture, cause this way they look a little empty. But I like the flow of the map and the variety of ways.
And here is the boring question, I will always have to make at a map of this quality: Please give me permission to put it on maplounge.
Thanks in forward nothing

Its A beautiful map, but the gameplay and the layout arent very good.

Here some points i have to say:

- The light is fine, It doesnt have a lot of variety, but it doesnt looks bad.
- The geometry looks good, except for some shapes that looks weird and the building looks well placed referring to the appearance of the map.
- The layout is narrow, too narrow for the gameplay of sauer, that is very fast, so the most of the map have a very bad flow.
- The bridge in the middle doesnt fit with the theme, it looks very good, and have good details, but it have different textures and looks too futuristic than the other 2.
- There is not background, and you can see it perfectly when you are in the roofs or in the "big camping tower", youre closed in the map, in a city closed in a imaginary box floating in a infinite sky, i recommend to you to make this kind of maps more extensives, making more building (at least copy and paste) and make the ilution of being in a great and big city when you are just limited by the walls and closed towers or houses.
- The river, dificult to get out of there.
- The roofs are too unplayable.

The map is good, not very original, but very better than venice, ill give you a 6/10
greetings.
Doko.

The map has around 45 houses that should not look all the same, a few weird texture arrangements are nothing to worry about.
Putting lightsources for every light in the houses would decrease fps and the lamps would be in the way when walking/fighting in the houses.

Comparing venice to kopenhagen I would like to point out that
kopenhagen is much bigger than venice
kopenhagen's buildings are integrated in the gameplay, you can easily jump in through windows, get up and down, jump out through the windows, pass numerous houses at once and fight in them.
Concerning the roofs: They are roofs, they are steep in most places and it is quite difficult to walk on them - it would be too easy/boring to make them all flat. They are a few spots where you easily hold position. Also we didn't want everyone to camp on the roofs. This is a point where I could personally agree though to still make them flat for easy walk.

The idea of a townmap is that there's is a certain narrowness in the streets, I don't think the map has a bad flow, while playing it, it worked quite good to jump from building to building, getting in and out quickly and find your way through the city.
It would be possible to vscale the bridgetexture to maximum to have pure white but still I don't see a big problem with the current texture. I mean it's not snow, it is a white surface with some ripples and in this case that is the kind of material (some sort of metal whatever) that they used to build the bridge.

We didn't add a town in the background to save wtr.

You're supposed to avoid falling in the river, that's why we made it difficult to get out.

Seeing that venice is doing well with instagib although you get stucked in every corner and near every window and in every house and that everything is very tiny I'm optimistic that kopenhagen would do better.

Btw, InstaHold is a cool gamemode for kopenhagen, chasing through the houses or barricading yourself in one.

I agree with almost all, but you dont have to limit your creativity to the FPS, unless your PCs dont allow you, that would be a different problem, the textures in the bridge, doesnt matter if it looks like a bridge, it just doesnt fit with the map.
What you mean with wtr?
As im saying, this is better than venice, but to me it needs more works in background or atmosphere.
and i agree too with playing it on instahold, would be very fun :) greetings.

Minor bugs fixed concerning stairs, windows, the white bridge in the center and textures.

amazing map

OKay. The map is nice, the gameplay okay (It was sometimes too narrow, but this is also a kind of gameplay, just not that what I'm used to).

What hinders this map from being perfect are the "wrong", overcopied details. The millions of windows eat the wtr, that could otherwise be spent in other, more creative details.
I understand that some windows matter for the gameplay, but not all for sure.
Also the windows look all the same and boring. Less is sometimes more.
The wtr could then be spent on other details, i.e. some light sources, maybe ships and (very simple) buildings outside of the map. If the buildings outside consit just out of a few triangles it wouldn't eat up that many fps.
Or you could choose another skybox that resembles a city, i.e. shmutzwurst/london
Without either of these you feel like playing in a box.

Or you could choose another skybox that resembles a city, i.e. shmutzwurst/london
Without either of these you feel like playing in a box.

That skybox is 4 looped sides that look exactly the same, and its quality is horrible. Using it as an example makes it look like a better idea to stick to the current one :P

Face it, most maps are boxy. Turbine, ot, complex.. and venice itself is the boxiest map of all, it surpasses even wdcd. So.. we're good. Things went better than expected ^_^

I'll check what it looks like with less windows.

Taking out windows ruins the look/character of the map.
I wonder how you can consider those windows as "details", they are part of the gameplay and are not detailed in any way.
Putting very simple buildings outside the map would not avoid the playing-in-a-box feeling, it would just add a -surrounded-by-ugly-cubes to it.
Proper environment for such a map is not possible with blowing up the wtr.

how i put maps in my sauerbraten dudes? i'm from brazil, i'm new here >...<

This is Venice RELOADED! Fantastic work guys, you put alot of time into this and it really shows. One suggestion...it looks much better with the Staffy skybox, it fits the streetlamp theme very well, try it! Once again, good work.
Have a nice day! -Ryand

Added an important ladder to reach the rocket regenbase on the roofs, that was missing before.

Venice was my amateur map, that I built with no previous plan, so there's a lot of things "half-baked". It was interesting to see, such a success it had. I think that Kopenhagen had the idea from the beginning and certainly is made much better. I dont think, that Kopenhagen is new Venice reload - its new awesome map with the similar urban atmosphere like Venice, but much better.

Very good job.