sauerbraten players like to do the same thing over-and-over-again.. take for example, the constant ictf/regen capture... those two modes are by far played more than any others. sauerbraten players don't like change, apparently :(

The games are very different each others like beer and wine.

A player who likes sauerbraten mechanics, don't love Red Eclipse ones.

No matter how hard RedEclipse tries, it will never have the same magical sauerbraten feel to it. The smell of good old classic that pain and sweat brought to this point. It's an original.

I think it's mostly bad advertising. Cube 2's been around longer, and it's included on a ton of the "best games for Linux" or "best free games" lists, which is how I found out about it in the first place, and Redeclipse isn't on many of them.

Maybe people also don't know you can play all Sauer maps on Redeclipse; all you see in most Sauer ads are the maps and some people fragging each other in the background, whereas Red Eclipse you usually wouldn't show yourself playing a flashy Sauer map becuase it would feel like advertising for another game. I prefer the Sauer maps very much over the RE ones in terms of both quality and quantity, but RE's gameplay is better in every aspect to me, and I haven't played Sauer since I got Red Eclipse except for editing and singleplayer.

Keep spreading the word. And if you don't have Red Eclipse, try it out!

Quite easy: Sauerbraten is exactly what I'm looking for in a game. I simply do not miss anything and do not want more features (concerning gameplay & graphics). The occasional update throwing in a few new maps and a non-declining community is all it needs to keep me happy.

What Sauer lacks in gameplay it makes up for in editing. Red Eclipse may have a "Better" editing system, but due to it's gameplay it is very difficult to make good maps for it. While I have completed multiple maps for Sauer in my time, I have yet to complete any of the dozens of maps I've started in Red Eclipse.

One thing in particular that annoys me to no end is Red Eclipse' pathetic texture selection. Sauer has almost twice as many textures as Red Eclipse does and on top of it Sauer is a more flexible game in terms of environment, so its wide variety of textures is acceptable. Red Eclipse on the other hand is strictly science fiction themed whilst having most of it's small texture selection being ugly textures that don't fit the game at all. Maps that don't look like they are part of a science fiction world simply don't fit well with the game, they end up looking really goofy. Blink is a perfect example of this. Why are cyborg/robot/space marine things fighting in a place made of wood and concrete? There's not even a hint of science fiction in that map other than the players and weapons themselves.

As someone who plays these two games mostly for their map editor and not for their gameplay, I can honestly say that Sauer is still the better game for now. Much much easier and more fun to make maps for.

Maybe the problem is that RE is trying to be sauer, no one likes a copy cat

I personally hate the game (never played it), mostly because of the shitty quake 1 like graphics. RE is like the bastard child always looking for approval of its father sauer, and trying not to be its brother BF (blood frontier).

chasester

I can answer your question right here in one comment. List of reasons:
sauerbraten is:
Simple.

RE is:
Way more complex, hell, last time I played the bomber mode or w/e, I couldn't figure out what to do.
There is no tut on setup for just the stuff you may or may not want disabled.
The entire UI is awful, I know sauer's GUI isn't pretty, but at least everything is a clear read, the font isn't shit, ect.
RE works too hard for the "look at me effect" and spends less time keeping its-self clean. When I take a girl out, its nice to have a hot looking girl, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice cleanliness for hotness, I want to be able to bang her and stuff without having to go "ew" every time I do the hip thrust into her, if you catch my drift. So the same should be said about any game, keep it simple, keep it clean.

-Matt

The only thing i can speak of, where Sauerbraten wins are the playermodels. Sauerbraten has 5, Red Eclipse has just 1 with different colour variations but its one hell of a great playermodel. It looks better, than any playermodel in Sauerbraten. And it's animated much better as well. Sauerbraten also started off with just one playermodel (ogro) and nobody complained...

ok out of curiosity the devs of RE are:
FischKopF
RAZGRIZ
Q009

right ??

I like Sauer over RE game-play wise because RE feels very "bullet soft" so to speak.
It seems to me like you do little to no damage with each shot, and you need to unload three hundred rounds to kill something.
In Sauer, one to four shots appears to be sufficient depending on the weapon.

On the other hand, RE is very rich in features which Sauer lacks which I like very much.
I feel that RE would need some refinements game-play wise to fit *my* preference.

Another little thing that gets me is the projectile velocity in RE. It's a cool feature, but it really messes with me. Most of the weapons projectile velocity is EXTREMELY slow. The SMG, for example, I shouldn't have to watch the bullets lazily travel to my target. That's personal preference, of course.

Wow. This erupted into a flamewar really quickly, but I guess this was kind of a provocative question. Asking why some people still prefer Sauerbraten is like asking why some people are still Amish or still listen to disco.

But seriously, calm down people. I've heard way too many outrageous accusations with little to no bearing in reality.

By the way... the 2 servers you see might just be the new Cosmic Edition ones. A lot of people are yet to start the new version of Red Eclipse. Looking at the server listing at http://server.orbitaldecay.com/master.php, I can see plenty of servers.

I like both Red Eclipse and Sauerbraten gaming, but the only thing i don't like about RE is what its editor lacks. There are no explosive barrels, no boxes, no elevators or moving platforms and except for the texture pane, it has no editing menus, but the advanced particles, pushers, and entity links(activating and deactivating lights, doors and particles) i like(i just wish u could do the same with teleports and pushers as well). My only disappointment with RE gaming is the lack of "actor" (monster)variety, I mean add some water and air enemies or something

I like the variety of weapons and creatures in Sauerbraten. On the other hand, I like the smoother graphics and some of the new weapons in Red Eclipse. I also like the modern day realism of Assault Cube even if the characters are a bit primative.

However, my main interest in both game engines is using them to make virtual sets and scenes in movies. The clearer licencing in Red Eclipse is a definite advantage rather than having to check each piece in Sauerbraten.

Separately, how does one turn off that floating ballet style movement in Red Eclipse?

Count me in that RE playing crowd. I'll still play Sauerbraten occasionally to socialize with the portion of FD which prefers it, but RE has won my heart with it's incredible movement, better damage accounting, weapon choices, and modes.

Keep in mind that RE hasn't been out for a very long time, just like when Cube 2 was a new game, there weren't a lot of players and active servers. You are expecting RE to progress to the level of activity that Cube 2 has built in around 5-7 years. But you shouldn't view it as if people having bad taste by choosing a game like Cube 2 with less complexity than RE. Some people, like me, prefer a more simplistic, casual kind of game experience instead of all of the advancements that a game like RE offers. It takes time to change from a game that you have been playing for years, to a game with different dynamics and physics. I have actually been gradually playing more RE and less Cube2, but it is a tough and long process to go through, as I often find myself trying out Cube 2 commands into the console along with the new strategies and commands in RE. So don't expect the playerbase to change overnight, but overtime, with a little bit of promotion and patience from the RE fans and an open-mind from the Cube 2 fans, maybe one day RE will become a more popular FPS with a good community, and could even be considered a "successful" sucessor.

- Fuzen

I have been playing Sauerbraten for a couple of versions. I did not check out Quadropolis until I got interested in making some maps and getting some schooling on how to make them better.

How many players actual come here to see whats new? I only found out about Red Eclipse when I read this post! It looks very cool and I will be installing shortly.

If it was easier to add maps to sauer when played local and do a redirect download for servers (Like Unreal Tournament did) more people would come looking for maps. This should be a MUST have feature of the next release.

RE isn't comparable to MC (=Minecraft, for those who don't know).
In MC you can build stuff "legitimately", in survival. In RE you simply can't.

one of the reasons why sauer is played more than RE is mainly cause its not very known to most people and maybe cause most people prefer the classics better in some cases.

Also think about that RE is a very different style. sauer is metal themed, RE is a bright colorful game playing in the far future.

While I really do like RE and also the new builtin entity possibilites, I play both games, because they are really different in most points.

That also means that even how good you'll make RE, I think some people will stay at sauer.

I still play sauer because it has a REAL sp mode. RE only has an impossible monster-splattering mess. (as of now)

I personally think that Red Eclipse just need so additional features. guys keep in mind this game was basically made by one guy with help over the internet. I'm sure that this game can be improved if one of us can help quin out. If new stuff was added like monster hunt in online mode like in unreal vehicle driving plus building like in halo and even a random Terran maker, Then this game would be a win over alot of others.

Yeah, vehicles and large terrain maps (like in battlefield) would make RE even better. :D

The makers of RE should start a kickstarter project to be able to pay some professional artists and programmers who could implement the vehicles, better first person models and animations, a better particle system and other new features...

The weapons and gameplay feel very plasticine if that qualitative remark makes any sense. It's like the bullets aren't made out of metal, and you can unload half a clip into someone's head and they can just run around as if nothing happens in most cases. The weapons in Sauer have a real tangible effect, either it be a rifleround sending someone ragdolling or a burst of bullets from a machinegun shooting you backwards, there's a very visceral link between cause and effect that RE just doesn't seem to have. And I do play both, don't get me wrong. I like what RE's done but it seems like it's bending the genre a little bit; not an exact Cube 3.0.

That's my thoughts.

I can't agree more with the previous post.

FishKopF wrote:
For me, this is the true successor to Sauerbraten, since it's a superior game in every respect.
So i'm wondering, why do SO much ppl still play sauerbraten?
Maybe Red Eclipse is just badly advertised and people just don't know about it.
I wonder if they would have called it "Cube Engine 3", more people would play
it and give it the appreciation it deserves...

Sauerbraten is waaay superior in the map, models & textures department. RE has still ugly graphics.
RE is a MOD not a successor to Sauer, because it's just the same engine but with fancy stuff.
The only successor to Cube Engine is another Cube Engine (inception, meh thinks :p).

I play both Sauer & RE, and it's just a matter of taste which one people like better.
To me, the biggest nuisance when playing RE is that everything is slower & weaker compared to Sauer:
player moves slower, the guns shoot slower & are weaker and the enemies die slower (due to health-regen).
Yeah I know that I can change all the gameplay via variable editing, but it's too much hazzle for me.

That said, I love Sauer over RE because it's simpler, looks awesome & has OLDSKOOL (Quake 2 & 1) gameplay!

Sub Zero wrote:
RE works too hard for the "look at me effect" and spends less time keeping its-self clean.

Yeah, they should invest more time in creating better looking textures & crafting addecuate maps for its gameplay.
And THEN go and advertise it big, because the competition is hard.
Most RE maps have ugly layouts and few are the maps that are well designed to use the Wallrun & Wallkicks moves.
And online people tend to chose crappy maps more often than good ones (playing insta on linear comes to mind, or CTF on echo).

tl;dr -- YA WANNA GET MOH' PLAYAZ FO' WED ECWIPSE? USE DA SOCIAL NETWOKS LUKE!
;)

It's easy to think that playing old games has shit graphics and paper mache models with groaning has become a hit sensation in the 1990s, then Red Eclipse takes that away from you, eats it, regurgitates it, eats it again, while making the noise of an ice-cream machine making a perfect swirl on an ice-cream cone then sticking that right up your nose... in theory that is. When discovering that everybody started complaining about the intolerable maps and textures, I didn't really care for the most part, as long as the gameplay is colorful/enjoyable with more realistic features being put in place compared to the one and most popular mod, Sauerbraten Such as: A better GUI easy for a person with no mind to understand, bullets almost extinct, Weak spots/sensitive spots, the cute little sound when you just killed 3 space marines - putting yourself in over-loving joy of just how fucking long it takes for a projectile from point A to point B. No seriously... it's retarded just like physics. But hey! thats where hacking comes in control (not really, there are variables in the menu). Also, the colorless game-play, Sauerbraten just has one simplistic sweat-spot casually all over your body; know wonder why the mod was named after a German sour roast - the developers probably just sat their daydreaming food in the office or worse. The thing in this forum that pisses me off other than the MOD > Sauerbraten, is that the majority regard it as the engine/game when in the fine print defines otherwise. That includes you to Red Eclipse! Gameplay is quick passed in Sauerbraten which is what I can't say for RE, both fun but looking a little squirmish for the more complicated gamplayers. Environment is better, though Forge's rooftop should be part of the bloodshed... and a few others.... ok, stop right there... I haven't played the campaigns yet on both mods... just typing. The reason, I see no need to... thats it.

It's safe to assume that anyone that plays Red Eclipse is a total douchbag (don't say this to someone who actually does) but ear to ear there are two advantages and two disadvantages; 1. Sauerbraten just has the speed and simplicity woven, disadvantage: it's to simple. 2. RE has the fun of easily changing your pistol to fire rockets 10 times a second without killing yourself. Disadvantage: Regarded as hacking... it's like RE is at war with sour roast and not an option to eat both. At the end of that day lets be honest and say "this shit is bananas" in German - like I have done for most of my life.

End.

RaZgRiZ: And it is pronounced TLDR not tl:dr.

Suicizer: I can use words whether or not they are not related to each other. Sauerbraten is a mod whether you like it or not. Im sorry but at what part did I say that Sauerbraten realistic? "Sauerbraten just has one simplistic sweat-spot casually all over your body" And that is realistic and illogical? :P

Anyway this is childish.

-deactivates account/finds other forums worth putting my intellect on-