Teahupoo | Quadropolis

mutaF | 2011-06-14 09:10

Teahupoo

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Blurb 1on1 DM-Map

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Teahupoo by Meister&Fatum,

A 1on1 DM-map, which works in insta, efficency and ffa.
Urban themed and named after a very dangerous wave in Tahiti.
Please notice that the 2 doors are teleporters (one of them leads to the top).
Custom textures made by soilah and Meister.
We set the lightprecision to 64, to lower the total size a bit.

Thanks to: sen~or, soilah, achille, notas and Liugam for helping, testing and advices.

Cheers!

Map file teahupoo.zip (3.01 MB)

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Comments

Suicizer | 2011-06-15 06:21

This map already has been released on another name?
I'm not sure wich name it was, but I'm very sure I've seen it before, long time ago.

Not bad theme. Haven't seen a lot maps from you wich were urban-themed.

The texturing is not bad, but could be better. As example, some lamps have the "mm-ceilinglite3" as texture, but it's not fitting at all.
Also, the glowmap of other lamp-textures (like your own costum one) is unnecessary, since the light-texture could be it's own glowmap.
Every pair of stairs have a plate-like texture on their steps. Somehow, this texture doesn't fit the geometry (and theming) at all. What about to add some more "lined" texture, wich really fits the geometry of the stairs?
I like the costum white-concrete texture, even tough it has a strange normal map in it (it doesn't make the texture look that great in game).

The geometry isn't bad, but in some cases, I'm pretty much wondering how could this 1 on 1 map be 87k of wtr? Ah well, it's not that big deal in this case...

The detailing is pretty good, but sometimes could be better. What about some trimming around edges?

The lighting is fine, too much white to me but it will stand like it is now either.

The clipping/noclipping is fine, nothing to comment about.

The flow is not bad, but could be better. You can definetly feel that you have tested it with experienced sauerbraten players, like as example the boxes (wich aren't that good flowing). When you jump from the health to the GA, you only have a very tight ammount of time to jump correctly, so you land on the box of the GA. Make sure noobies also profit of this and make it less hard to do so (like nocliping a small strip from the box of the GA).

The gameplay isn't bad, but could be better to me. If you control the highest floor, victory seems to be yours (especially because the YA, rockets and the HB spawns up there). Make sure the player on the ground has also an advantage, like swapping the GA on the box for a YA and swapping the YA on the roof for a GA.
Also, putting "health" looking marks under pickups isn't that great idea, since it's even easier to time where the ammo get spawned. It isn't logical for the theme either and isn't adding any detail at all.
What about adding another entry to the roof? the 1 and only teleporter to that is pretty vurnable for camping and isn't giving the gameplay a that good image.

I like that it's something different instead of the creations you normally deliver to quadropolis. Still need some work tough.
6/10 for now...

P.S.
Hmm, strange. Even when the map is obiously not 100% yet, you still get 10 points, without even a comment ;)!

mutaF | 2011-06-15 06:04

"Hmm, strange. Even when the map is obiously not 100% yet, you still get 10 points, without even a comment ;)!"

-well as strange as voting 4/10 w/o a comment!...or as strange as your comment:

1."Not bad theme..."
2."The texturing is not bad..."
3."The geometry isn't bad..."
4."The detailing is pretty good..."
5."The lighting is fine..."
6."The clipping/noclipping is fine..."
7."The flow is not bad..."
8."The gameplay isn't bad..."
9.--->"6/10 for now..."

- pretty strange, ha????

"When you jump from the health to the GA, you only have a very tight ammount of time to jump correctly, so you land on the box of the GA. Make sure noobies also profit of this and make it less hard to do so (like nocliping a small strip from the box of the GA)."

-lol??...this is your problem??..really?, i tell you what: if you cant jump it...WALK! (and please next time find some real problem, before you write a book about it!!)

"If you control the highest floor, victory seems to be yours (especially because the YA, rockets and the HB spawns up there). Make sure the player on the ground has also an advantage, like swapping the GA on the box for a YA and swapping the YA on the roof for a GA."

-OMG!...that shows me that your are bloody noob in FFA (no offend), you can play me in ffa there if you whish, and you can camp wherever and as long as you want, i hardly doubt that you will have much success, fell free to to come to #sp4nk, and we will check it out, whenever you want to get pwned!

"Even when the map is obiously not 100% yet"

-cant you read?? "final release" what does that means?

tbh,i think your not 100% yet and i dont give much about you and your comment, your aint a good player nor a good mapper (imo), so why should i listen to you?? better save your time and read more in "the big book of smart mappers" or simple find another quake map you can rebuild for sauer, mr. creative!

overall i am a bit disappointed about your comment, it was funny ofc...but I have seen better ones of you….. I am sure you can do it better!
I am sorry, that i cant give you the full 7/10 yet.
6,478263889437/10 ....so 6/10 for now!

keep improving!
peace!

Suicizer | 2011-06-15 06:23

Hmm seems like a tough feed back...

"-lol??...this is your problem??..really?, i tell you what: if you cant jump it...WALK! (and please next time find some real problem, before you write a book about it!!)"

Really? So you tell me you can just walk over te box to get that GA? I doubt it but ok, do me a favor and show it (like in a demo or something).

"-OMG!...that shows me that your are bloody noob in FFA (no offend), you can play me in ffa there if you whish, and you can camp wherever and as long as you want, i hardly doubt that you will have much success, fell free to to come to #sp4nk, and we will check it out, whenever you want to get pwned!"

Tha actually isn't giving the reason why my comment isn't right in that part, but more telling about that you know the map better than me (of course you do, you made it).
Be sure to give a good reason, instead of challenging people and call them a noob (even when it's not ment offended)...

I won't calll the flow great, since it's not really leading you trough the specific map, wich should be a bit in an ffa map.

If you call it final release, that would mean you shouldn't even post it on quadropolis, since this website is primairy ment for feedback from other people, so they can be improved (at least, that makes sense to me...)
What's the point elseway to post a map on here, just to show of what kinda of mapper you are?

I really won't call it final release in this state...

P.S.
True, if you would slice every line in half wich I wrote in that comment, you would get an 8/10. Unfortunatly, you shouldn't slice and read the hole line, no offence ment...

Meister | 2011-06-15 06:41

"If you call it final release, that would mean you shouldn't even post it on quadropolis, since this website is primairy ment for feedback from other people, so they can be improved (at least, that makes sense to me...) What's the point elseway to post a map on here, just to show of what kinda of mapper you are?"
Good point, but this clearly show how prejudiced your (and not only yours) comments are. Just to refresh your memory look here: http://quadropolis.us/node/2967, a map that has been published, starred and released within 8 hours, no feedback needed. And btw suicizer, just curiosity, do you live on quadropolis or you get to school also sometimes?

mutaF | 2011-06-15 09:10

“Really? So you tell me you can just walk over te box to get that GA? I doubt it but ok, do me a favor and show it (like in a demo or something).”

-yes really…
1.we talk of ffa so where is the problem? Pretty good chances to get it even if I got hitted once.
2.Also I played it many times in ffa and I never did the jump..or at least not often.
3.use weaponjump!
4.are you serious with that criticism??...i mean on every map I can find 10 jumps which could be higher,lower,more far, less far, more easy less easy…. Seriously! To me, the jump from “healthbox” to “GA-box” issnt rly important…and I will tell you a secret: good players are good at maps because they learned it….noobs are noobs because they didn’t! so let good players do the jump and let the noobs walk! The world wont collapse because of that…

“Tha actually isn't giving the reason why my comment isn't right in that part, but more telling about that you know the map better than me (of course you do, you made it).”

-“ why my comment isn't right in that part” – you answer it yourselft in the same sentence: “you know the map better than me (of course you do, you made it)”

"Be sure to give a good reason, instead of challenging people and call them a noob (even when it's not ment offended)...”

-ok, mr.gameplayexpert, you were talking about ffa ,like changing GA with YA and camping at the top floor will leads to easy pwning.
So here your detailed answers:

About changing YA and GA:
1.It would be very easy to control YA and GA, by take GA first, simple drop down and grab YA ( a good ffa play would totally own you!)
2.to set the more important YA at top improves the gameplay and make it a callenge to get it, also it forces players to get to the top area and it leads to fights for the YA and that’s what FFA is about!

About camping on top:
1.you have 1rocket item,YA, 2health and HB…and all is very far to the other,that menas you have to move at top all the time you cant camp like in insta.
2.how long do you think you will survive wit 1 rocket item up there??
3.how long will you survive on the very open-tinny-and-dangerous-to-fall-down-top-part, if I try to rifle you from distance??
4.btw camping at ffa leads to get killed in moste cases(smart FFA players always move and collect items)

“What's the point elseway to post a map on here, just to show of what kinda of mapper you are?”

No, don’t get me wrong…a good suggestition is always welcome even if its called final release, but your “the textures at the stairs is not my taste” – stuff isn’t very constructive!

If you want help, then tell me better how to minimize the packagesize to 2mb without loosing much quality of the map and textures!!?!??!?!

Cheers!

Suicizer | 2011-06-15 10:19

"2.Also I played it many times in ffa and I never did the jump..or at least not often."
My comment about the GA isn't ment strictly on that GA, but as example that the pickups should be reviewed. Make the gameplay deeper than it is now.

"3.use weaponjump!"
Weaponjumps are fine to implement, as long as they aren't conflicting or replacing the primairy gameplay. As example, you shouldn't have to use a perfect riflejump to get the only YA ingame (isn't the cases here, but it's just an example).
So be sure the flow isn't build on trickjumps, but on regular jumping and running wich doesn't require that much skill at all.

"About camping on top:
1.you have 1rocket item,YA, 2health and HB…and all is very far to the other,that menas you have to move at top all the time you cant camp like in insta.
2.how long do you think you will survive wit 1 rocket item up there??
3.how long will you survive on the very open-tinny-and-dangerous-to-fall-down-top-part, if I try to rifle you from distance??
4.btw camping at ffa leads to get killed in moste cases(smart FFA players always move and collect items)"
As long as you can get a couple of frags and keep being able to control the roof, it doesn't matter if your enemy gets weapons, since he gets fragged anyways and loses those weapons.
To lose balance and drop down on the floor again isn't a bad thing, since that makes you able to collect more weapons than rockets, so you use that disadvantage as advantage.
What I said in my first comment was actually mented that you just should add another way to the roofs. What about a broken elevator wich is filled with bricks and stones where you can jump on?

"No, don’t get me wrong…a good suggestition is always welcome even if its called final release, but your “the textures at the stairs is not my taste” – stuff isn’t very constructive!"
I was trying to put it on a nice and "kind" way so it's not that offensive, but that doesn't seems to work.
Here an edit on that:
"The textures on the stairs just suck. They aren't fitting the map at all and could better be replaced by the a more lined texture wich fits the geometry better."
Is it better on this way? I doubt it, that's why I putted on that other way.

-“ why my comment isn't right in that part” – you answer it yourselft in the same sentence: “you know the map better than me (of course you do, you made it)”
Sigh, I don't want to start a flamewar this time, so I'll just shut up about it...

I already said you could delete the glowmap of the light-texture and use it's default texture as glowmap...

putting textures into .jpg file saves up file-size either. I'm not sure if you already did that, but at least another tip...

RaZgRiZ | 2011-06-15 08:33

As far as this conversation goes, you both have a really big idea about yourselves and you need to tone that down, because i cannot help but sense a little rivalry and flaming here. As for the map, i'll take a look later today and point out the problems should i find any, and include screenshots if i have enough time.

Mysterious | 2011-06-15 09:01

Well , normally i don´t get into things, which doesn´t belong to me, but today i can´t wait longer :

Quadropolis is a community, which gives all mappers a chance for posting their maps and getting a FEEDBACK/LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS (not a 10/10 rating). All comments here are advises from other mappers, who want to help you to improve your map until it´s perfect. Why can´t everybody take a critic like it is : an OPINION (!).
I also could say you are wrong, because you gave me 6/10 for "euphoria" although most of the people voted 7-9/10 for it, but I DON´T , because it´s your opinion and i respect it. So if Suicizer´s opinion is to give it a 6/10 , he thought about it clearly and knows why he gave such a rate.

Okay, now about your map :

Layout : The layout is way too open for me and also has a big camper-spot problem (the upper stage, which is only accessable by one teleport on which you can camp if your enemy tries to get up). Also try to avoid such little jumppads like the one at the corner, because they can easily been replaced by a box or something, which doesn´t slow you down as much as a jumppad does). All in all it´s nearly a perfect layout for effic/ffa, but it isn´t as great in insta. Great work for effic/ffa , solid one for insta ----> 6/10

Gameplay : I had some games at this map and it wasn´t that great, because (like I said above) it´s pretty easy to get at the upper stage and camp. Well, most of you will think, that your enemy can easily get there, too, but he can´t because you can observe the teleport from above. The overall gameplay is okay (ammo is placed well etc.), but this camper spot breaks the whole gameplay pretty much (You can compare it to duel8, which has also a big camper spot at the highest stage, but it isn´t as easy to get there than at teahupoo). It was funny , but only for the camper in me ----> 6/10

Texturing : You know what ? I love it !!! Those graffiti textures are unique and give a real good feeling together with the brick textures. There´s only one thing I want to mention : The streetlights. The glowing texture doesn´t fit pretty well (like Suicizer said). Nice job ----> 9/10

Detailing : I also love your detailing, because together with those dark skybox and lightning , your houses give a dark and dirty feeling. Also your crane looks nice and better than tchen´s in duel8 (love those red lightning spots at it). Only complainment : Your streetlights because they are also bad looking without the glowing texture.
Again pretty nice ----> 9/10

Lightning : Not too dark and not too bright . Sometimes kind of weird (the neon-green light at the house, which you can see when you are at the highest stage) and sometimes kind of too white.
Could be improved, but gives a good feeling yet ----> 7/10

Result : This map is definitely a beautiful one , but the layout and the gameplay couldn´t convince myself as much as I was thinking. It´s eye-candy with a solid layout/gameplay !
----> 7,4/10

Greetings!

mutaF | 2011-06-15 10:36

t-chen suggest me on irc to set the teleporter, which leads to the top, a bit deeper into the door to minimize the risk of using the teleporter by walking close to it!
thx for the advice, it´s updated now!

cheers!

Suicizer | 2011-06-15 13:37

what about putting that into the node, instead as comment?

Meister | 2011-06-15 17:01

Fancy that! Such advice coming from the master spammer. :D
Mmm, let's check what happened on SCEDM5 then:
- Suicizer | 2011-05-23 15:20: Here it is, 1 of the last updates!
- Suicizer | 2011-05-23 17:56: I've shuffled a bit with voffset and it should be better now.
- Suicizer | 2011-05-30 14:25: Check out the new update!
- Suicizer | 2011-05-30 17:53: And it has been updated for a 2nd time again[...]
- Suicizer | 2011-06-05 14:39: Here it is, the (probably) final update! Check it out now!
- Suicizer | 2011-06-11 17:35: This really seems to be the last update of the map...
Greetings ;)

Suicizer | 2011-06-15 21:04

I know I can spam a lot either and some of those comments could be in the node either, but that's not about this content at all, is it?
Don't judge people when they only want to help by commenting.

I'm not putting comments on other contents to let the rating of that map suffer or something similar to that.
I only mark which things could be improved, since if you worked a couple of days on a map (or weeks, maybe even months), your vision of what should be done or what else should be fixed isn't that clear as on the start of the project.

That's just a matter of taste and doesn't matter how constructed, as long as there is any logical in it.

P.S.
It's not very fair to show only the spam, without the comments where things really were getting told.
I was talking he could post that comment into his node instead, since he is authorized to delete his own nodes, like he isn't on his comments.

I'm not black marking you, so don't do that to me.

Zama | 2011-06-15 21:55

Suicizer you are trolling! Read this thread please!

Mysterious | 2011-06-16 08:37

Hmmmm i don´t know why , but i got the feeling i would like such a "dark-city"-themed map as a ctf-map.

Take this as a senseless post ^^