"The texturing could be better. As example, take a different texture at the sides of that white stone texture ("stone_path" that's in the "subverse" folder) wich is outside of the buildings, or make make it looks less "cut of" to the "cobbst2" texture of loopix."

Duly noted.

"Bricks as roofs -.-? Come on, they didn't had that in medieval ages. What about using the "ceil" textures in the "kurt" folder?"

Slate was the intention, actually. Besides that, there were other materials available for roofing, even during the early medieval ages, than thatching, and this map was modeled after late medieval domestic architecture.

"You should have added lighting first before posting an artistic map on quadropolis. The atmosphere (wich is only existing out of a skylight -.-) really ruins the realism of the map."

In retrospect? Aye, I should have. No excuse, certainly, but I was honestly kind of tired of working on the map after going through about three half-complete earlier versions. I'm making good progress on a new map, however, and I'm giving the finer details some more love, this time, so give me a second chance. I'll try not to disappoint. :P

"Try to use geometry more efficient 257k for such map is pretty much. I would suggest you use mapmodels as furnitures (and there some pretty nice furnitures inside sauerbraten but also on quadropolis)."

I'll remip when I reupload. Hopefully that will help a bit.

"Try to use only 1 image in your zip, instead of 2 (especially when they are exactly the same). Also, save the screenshot as .jpg format and with 256x256 pixels, since you would get very strange dimensions if not (any other than .jpg wouldn't get loaded)."

Really? I didn't know that, honestly. I'll make a note of that, thanks.

"Take a look to some mid-age images.(or an other time you think of when seeing this map) The houses have to be out of (big) stones and wood, the stone is almost all natural, no bricks.(Think of how much this houses would burn if there is a fire. In this time things like that were very serious)."

I do, actually. I'm honestly fascinated medieval architecture. I don't consider myself an expert, but I'm certainly not a layman - either way the helpful tone is very much appreciated. As for the presence or absence of brick, that was hugely dependent on the region. Poland and some of Germany are both good examples; there's plenty of examples of even early medieval buildings - domestic, military and religious alike - all over both of them. Brick wasn't a particularly rare resource.

"The geometry work is nice so far. Sometimes it is not so realistic because you copied and pasted too often, also you just have to throw away you laziness and give the rooms more atmosphere. :D"

Well then at least I succeeded where I wanted to succeed. As for copying and pasting, do any examples come to mind? I honestly can't remember doing too much copying and pasting, other than with the brick-framed row of buildings next to the descending street. Sounding condescending is the last thing I want to do, mind you, I just want to know if you had any particular examples.

"Also you really should care of what you are doing with a floor(I see you have made a very interesting but also very useless carpet. You don't see the detail in it really and it steals about 10-20 fps. :X"

Goodness, does it? I've got a pretty decent computer so maybe it didn't hurt my performance too much, and so I never noticed. Sorry about that.

"I have some nice ideas. One house could be a shop(one of the houses around that place that could be a market), another house could be a library.(Yes, I've seen that house, just add books(mapmodel) and some chairs, lamps... and remove some shelfs and the second floor)"

Actually that was the idea. Letting the player speculate about what each room is, and letting them fill in the blanks. Now you have me wondering whether or not that was a very good idea or not. xD

"Don't make it possible to climb up the tower. You can see there over the whole map .(and also the ends of the map)"

It is. The ladder up to the battlements of the tower stop just short of the roof hatch.

"Take a look to the size again. It's not much oversized, this makes the flow better, but because it is an artistic map you could lower some doors.(press "9" outside editmode to see your playermodel; again to hide)"

The way I measure is by considering each 1/2 cube to be one metre, meaning, for sake of example, most of the doorways are 2 metres high. It makes the player seem a bit short, but it's the best method of keeping a consistent scale that I've thought of so far.

"In your map are no entities. Do you know how to work with entities? Even if it is an artistic map, you need entities like lights, mapmodels, particles and playerstarts."

I do, but thanks very much for the concern. Manually assigning a spawn point slipped my mind. I'll be reuploading with an updated file in a few minutes that will have one added.

"I remember that you can jump at one roof from the ground and could walk away out of the map. I know this map is artistic but this brakes all realism."

Was it the grey log building with the white roof? The one with the balcony? If it was that was intentional. I've got a bit of a habit of always giving the player some way outside of the map, just as an easter egg. I have about four other maps that I did the same with (No plan of releasing any of them. They're embarrassing, frankly. xD) None of them have been death match or capture maps - why not, I say? :)

"Also only use noclips when nessecary.(on the marketplace the haycock for example it is a bit strange) "

That's a bit of an inside joke. When I was working on the tower a friend asked to see the map. He saw the red brick tower and said that it was in need of a viewpoint from Assassin's Creed. I thought it was a cute idea, so I figured why not? That's why the haycock is there.

As for finishing the map - I don't have plans of going back and updating the design itself, at the moment. Maybe after I've finished the map I'm working on now I'll add proper lighting and all else, but for now it is what it is. In any case, thank you very much for the critique - it's certainly much more appreciated than the two-sentence-long "good jobs" or what else that I had planned for. :)

"One of the brick buildings (the trapezoid shaped one) felt like it didn't belong with the rest. It was very bland on the outside and stuck out."

I had bigger plans for the red brick building. The only problem is most of them were made, if not impossible, certainly more effort than it was worth to add because of the angled wall. It was a mistake to include, to say the least. Still, I suppose it's at least useful for housing an amusing easter-egg.

"I also felt like there could have been more windows on some of the buildings (although I don't know anything about late medieval architecture, so if this goes against what you are trying for, disregard it). Some of them have a decent amount (6-8?), but on the second floor they have maybe one or two."

Most of the buildings have more windows on the upper floors (with the exception of the library next to the square.) by design. The reason is more windows on the lower floor means more gaps in the support of the floors above it, which risks compromising the building's integrity.

"Also what is up with the wasted space (void areas) in *at least* one building?"

Such as the two taverns made of the pink-ish brick, next to the square? Assuming that is what you mean, it's entirely aesthetic. It makes the buildings seem more spacious. If that's *not* what you mean though, care to save a screenshot of what you are referring to?

This map is definetly not deathmatch-proof with some "moderate adjustments". There are way too many dead ends in it to even think about that. Doorways aren't big enough to walk in and out easily. You bump up and down on the street...
Really, just keep it artistic...

That was the plan, be sure. I've played long enough to know what makes a good death match map, and what doesn't, and this most certainly doesn't. :)

I like your ambition, but I'm honestly not very interested in seeing this made into a deathmatch map. If that's what you're looking for, though, I have been doing some experimenting in Red Eclipse's map editor. I can't *promise* anything, but if I can think of a good idea you might just see me upload a playable map for it. :P

By the way, use a .zip file instead of .rar
Why? It had something to do with mac-users, but I'm not sure. Ah well, it's just quadropolis standarts anways...

That's right Dominicbuch, please make a zip for my Mac.
I am dying to take a walk down Medieval Street!

If you can't wait, go get an unofficial Mac build of 7-Zip. It is on the site.

Done and done. Enjoy the map. :)

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to add to that, think about fixing your lighting. Also look at one texturing pack rather than going with the venice look.

good job
chasester