Help with weapon models

Djakk | 2010-11-04 17:17

I recently just started using Autodesk 3ds, and I am trying to create a set of new hudguns. I am also going to replace the sound files to make them more realistic.

Pistol: Desert Eagle
Rifle: Unsure
Chaingun: Assualt Rifle with undermount luancher; possibly ACR or similar
Grenades: Assualt Rifle Grenade undermount
Fist: unsure
Rockets: RPG (unsure with the visible rocket; It might look weird firing)
Shotgun: Unsure; possibly just a simple combat shotty

If anyone has any suggestions on the weapons, I am open to ideas. (If I feel they are worth something, I will post the finished products to Quad). I have just finished the design and texturing of a pistol replacement, which will be a Desert Eagle. Now to the part where I am stuck. First of all, does the size of the model on the program matter? Next, what would I essentially have to do to add in animation? Finally, how would I tie this into sauerbraten? Thanks for any help!

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Sgt. Reaver | 2010-11-04 17:35

For Rifle, I think a Barret M95 would be nice (not M82 because M95 is bolt-action, M82 is semi-auto).
I think grenades would be better if it was a Milkor MGL.
Fist could just be a combat knife or something.
If you don't want a visible rocket on the Rocket Launcher, try an AT4.
Shotty should just be a SPAS 12.

Good luck on your project!

Djakk | 2010-11-04 18:18

I think a Barret would be nice because Sauer makes the rifle feel like it has a lot of firepower, especially with instagib and the ability to riflejump.

I would do the Milkor MGL but im kinda skeptical on two points. One, the MGL uses rounds similar to that of the M32s, which fly straight to hit their target. The lobbing grenades isnt really a hassle though. My main thing about the MGL is that it looks almost identical to the GL that sauer already has. I've also thought about maybe just an animation of your character tossing a grenade, but I dont know.

A knife would look cool for melee, but because of the rate of hits that melee/fist does, it would have to have a really fast knife animation which may look weird repeatedly.

Sauer already has a launcher that looks like an AT4. I might end up leaving this one alone, but Im not sure at the moment.

The SPAS 12 is exactly what I was thinking after I posted that! =) Mainly because it still uses a pump action re-cock, unlike to most combat shotguns today, which would be perfect because Sauer's shotty has a slow reload time. Id really like to do a SPAS 15, simply because of the clip, but Im going for realism here, so SPAS 12 is still my main choice.

Thanks for the ideas! I'm going to see what I need to do about the desert eagle before I do any more modeling, just in case I have to switch to another program. The desert eagle model only took me 4 hours to get to looking realistic, even with me still getting used to the program. (I dont know if thats a good or a bad thing) I have no problem switching to another program, but Im not going to start any other weapons until the Desert Eagle is completely finished.

griffm | 2010-11-04 19:51

To be compatible with saur it the models need to be .md5, .md3, .iqm, or one other one i cant remember.

If you are using Autodesk 3DS i know there are TONS of tutorials around to help you with detailing,animation, and really any other problem you find. it just takes a good google search.

srbs | 2010-11-04 20:58

Models compatible with Sauerbraten:
md2, md3, md5, iqm, obj, & smd.

Calinou | 2010-11-05 10:09

By the way, the .obj can't be animated... Personnally i prefer .md5 because you can do ragdolls with (playermodel :P) and it's the same model format than default hudguns.

Djakk | 2010-11-05 18:05

I know what format the models have to be in, what im wondering is how to integrate it, like how to tell the game where the hands should be and all that kind of stuff...

srbs | 2010-11-05 21:23

Short of looking at the source and data/*.cfg files, the easiest way (that I think is possible) is to backup the current weapon and replace those files with your model. Then again, I'm not exactly sure.

Links to look at:
Editing Wiki
Model docs

srbs

Calinou | 2010-11-05 18:32

I know, I have my own armor models in Sauer ;)

Windecker | 2010-11-06 00:37

Do you mean models to replace those of the Armor pickup?

If so, those are set on the models center-point... and require no animations.

Djakk | 2010-11-07 00:00

No, Im not wanting to change the pickups. I am changing the actual weapons the you hold and fire, as well as their sounds.

Windecker | 2010-11-07 01:01

I was replying to Hugo. I realize what your trying to change,

Calinou | 2010-11-06 09:05

Yes, they're very simple, still...
That's going offtopic.

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