the license drop-down is for the license of the map. not the textures (unless you make custom ones).

the map is pretty neat :)

First a big welcome on quadro ;)

I watched your map and i have to say i like it.

layout : i dont think this is a dm layout , because it´s way to narrow. i cant get away the feeling , that some bases would fit well into this map . Maybe you should try this. But all in all im not a big fan of the layout. 5/10

design/textures/detailing : Your design looks really fine , but sometimes your texturing is going weird ;). Detailing looks also fine to me , except some little parts (glass with stripes of snow texture ? Another white texture would solve the problem ,for example nieb´s one (dont know the name at the moment))
made with love and looks good . 8/10

clipping/noclipping : I really dislike your clipping and noclipping , because there some parts left , where you stuck. 5/10

Lightning : Im also not a fan of your lightning , because your lightning doesnt fit the skybox best. The lightning is too bright and doesnt look like night-themed . Well i also did some night-themed maps and always failed with the lightning (for example "The Convent"). You also used too much white lights , which make the map looking boring. Try some variance between some colours and watch how it looks. 4/10 by now (P.S : maybe put a day-theme on it ?)

Result : A really good work, with heights and dephts. i cant say it enought , that converting this map into capture would be a funny idea. Also changing the lightning (or maybe the theme) would improve "lab" a lot. 5,5/10 ----> 6/10 for now , but i really love your start . keep it up , mate !!!!;D

Edit 24.03.2011 : I take some new look and have to say : Wow ! Your improvements are great.
The lightning is much smoother now and the capture gameplay got a lot of fun. I hope to see some new maps by you .
Nice improvements so 8/10 by now ! Good work

For a first time map this quite some effort you are presenting here, i am not saying that it is perfect, but it sure shows potential and i am looking foreward to see more of you in the future :)

In the mean time, well done and keep growing!

I like the funny details, handmade instead of using standard mapmodels. You obviously spent a lot of time on the map. Effective use of existing textures. No complaints about the lighting, not every night scene needs to have spooky dark corners. Good atmosphere, despite the usual somewhat silly sciencefiction look. Not at all bad, 8/10.

I played this map with a buddy of mine, and I can honestly say this is the best DM map I have seen on Quad in about 4 months. The map is very functional for its purpose. It has very smooth flow to the action, while still keeping everything and everyone close to the action. Nice placement on ammo, health, healthboost and quad. (9/10)

The geometry in this map is amazing. Your pseudo-mapmodels such as the TERRORSNOUT have amazing detail in them. Nice use of the alpha material to create glass and the waterfall near the healthboost. Nice use of angled textures and the flat ladder effect. (9/10)

Lighting on this map is perfect. At points it gets dark, but not dark enough to the point where you cant tell what you are doing. Even in the brighter areas of the map, its not overdone. The lightmap is very well placed. (10/10)

The choice of textures in this map is probably my least favorite part. They were well chosen, but I feel at points they were overused. Having said that, I do like your coice of scrolling textures in this map, such as the waterfall and the particle generator in the TERRORSNOUT room. (8/10)

Overall, I think this is an amazing map for a first time submission! Most people use that excuse to upload a shoddy or undone map, but this one is excellent. Keep up the great work! Cant wait to see more from you in the future!

After I took a look at the map noticed:
The theme has been created carefully, wich is good. It's not like a bunch of "sub-themes" bundled together, even tough it looks on the first sight.

The texturing could be done better. Try to set up an own config-file for the map ("lab.cfg"), so textures can be edited very easily on appearing, position and size (wich cant all be done ingame, without config-file). Because it would be a pain in the ass for doing such thing now, try to use "vsize" at some textures, so they fit better on the geometry of a detail.
Try to use a few (even just 1) texture for glass, because it really looks very weird to have like 10 different kinds of glass, in just 1 map (it's very unnatural, since in real its not like that either).

The lighting is fine, exept the lighting outside (on those mountians) is definetly not fitting the skybox.

The geometry is nice, nothing to say about.

The detailing is great. Almost everything is handmade, wich is nice but at the other side, it eats wtr. Try to use mapmodels instead (like there are default barrels, lamps, vavles and boxes wich are fitting this theme perfectly). If a mapmodel isnt in the right position, try to set up a costum config-file for it (md2.cfg, md3.cfg, md5.cfg or obj.cfg. Depends on the model itself). So try next time to use some more mapmodels!

The clipping/noclipping is fine, nothing to say about either.

The flow can be sometimes a bit better. Like there is some sort of cave (with weird brick-textured ceiling and wooden walls), where you bump your head to the ceiling when jumping.

The gameplay isnt bad, but for this size of map, way too low ammount of playerstarts and pickups! It's very easy to camp at a playerstart since there only 24 of them. Try to have an ammount of 5 at each pickup instead of 4 (even tough, observate the situation of where your putting it first, then just senseless putting it somewhere, just to have a same ammount on all pickups).
You can notice very well the map is based on a realistic floorplan, since there are way less tactics spots in it than usuall maps. This isn't a bad point, even tough it most times isn't working on sauerbraten since it fast movement.

The name fits the theme, so nothing to say about that.

Maybe some very nice tip, try to add sounds in the map (by making a costum config-file). This makes it much more realistic and enhances the map greatly. Take as example a waterfall-sound near the "waterfall".
If you dont know how to do this, try to look at "edit-reference" on "sauerbraten.org" and observate config-files of other maps.

For overall, this map is very nice. There still some work to do to make the map really perfect, but it's like 85% done, so good job! I'll give 8/10 for it...

Thank you all for your comments, they help me a lot.
I've gone through your thoughts multiple times and given each matter some consideration and I think this is how I'll continue:
Since Lab was originally daytime (and it actually looked more interesting that way), I'm gonna try that again (I recently found out about fogdome, I'll probably use that to make the skybox fit the red, warm ambience, aka sunset).
I guess the biggest problem yet is flow, that's what I'm gonna spend most time on. If you have discovered some other serious editing mistakes or places where you get stuck easily, it would be nice if you could tell me the location(s).

What I'm really surprised at is how opinions on this map vary from 0-10. Almost every aspect of the map is loved by some and hated by others. Which is a sign to me that more or less the whole visual dimension is really a matter of opinion and personal taste. Some find the vastly varied use of textures convincing, others puke on it. Which is why I'll stick to the theme and continue to do what I have been doing (maybe remove some redundant textures). Thanks for the hint about the glass though. Gonna do something about that.

Gameplay: Thanks, Mysterious, I'm gonna add bases, but the DM will stay. People who have actually played this map with more than one person (which should be a standard approach for all reviewers in my humble opinion) told me that it works.

Suicizer, about the config. I use a mac (everybody with a macsucks-attitude may skip this).
And I just don't seem to be able to find the standard assets. My own files are located here: Username/library/Application Support/sauerbraten/etc.
But only the files I created myself are there. The rest is missing. So if I would for instance want to edit the autoexe.cfg... can't. Searched my entire hard drive.

Update. I think this is more or less the final version unless there should be something which absolutely can't stay the way it is.

not bad for your first map! The only thing is that I found a way to escape over the clip wall using nade jumps. Also, I found your lighting kinda boring with mainly white lights. Other than that nice map. :) 7/10

Yeah I think the night theme was better.

The daytime looks cool, I like the textures too... 7/10

Next Update. Read the description for more details.
(If an Admin has nothing better to do, I'd welcome it if my name got changed to iCrab, cheers.)

After rechecked the map again, I'm still missing sounds like at the waterfall.
At some places, noclipping/clipping breaks realism, like when you can see trough a doorway because a "fat" trim has been noclipped.
I'm still not that font of the ammount of textures wich has been used. Some textures arent fitting each other, or are just not fitting the geometry (like on a ladder or stairs).

Maybe you should use more mapmodels next time, since the details are eating a lot of wtr wich isnt necassery (even tough it are nice details).

Ah wel, still some thing that can be improved...

WTF ! Lol ! I dont like the map for playing but i like all elements (the TerrorSnout ;)

Some Ideas:
-You could use the original HUD weapons instead of that geometry-weapons ( so make a config for the hudweapons that you can place them ingame)(but your weapons look also really nice :D)

-clip the lockers in the administration area

-on the upper left of the 'waterfall' there is a jumppad that blocks you to go where you want(it blocks you from reaching the shells) Place this jumppad more at the background so that you really just jump when you want to

-sometimes you could use textures instead of geometry ( for example, open your favourite drawing Program and write 'Administration Area', then save it as a .png) You can load this then with following in your cfg file:

setshader stdworld
texture 0 icrab/administration_area.png

Exept this small issues I really like your map!
Flow isn't perfect, but geometry and detail are awesome!

Good map
I liked the details, they are cute, ingenious and remind me the architecture that t-chen use in his maps.
The geometry is good only in some parts of the map, because there are parts that have long stairs, too low roof or narrow corridors, that affect drastically the playability.
The textures are fine, except for some that dont fit with the other, but isnt really notable.
The lights are fine for me and is good that you dint used too much white lights, because these are bored.
What happen to the clip and the noclip in the details that spoil the gameplay?
The map looks totally nice but it dont work for play, it isnt too playable because some details clog the corridors/platforms.
The backgrounds isnt great... you should work more on the terrain, looks too squarish. In some parts of the background you can see outside the map and realize that the map is a box, that break all the illusion of the map.

For conclusion: i think the better in this map is the artistic part, but remember this: The layout and the gameplay are first, then the artistic part, thats really important, greetings.

7/10

Nice map :)