CFG FILES | Quadropolis

Chasester_aka_you | 2010-04-01 14:46

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I have notice over my time at quad that many of the maps on quadropolis, fail to include a config or they fail to use a texturereset:

My personally preference is that every map should be required to do a texturerest because if ever the textures get removed or added to the pack it will mess them up. I was more or less wondering what the general consensus was about this matter. Should we require a CFG file and require a texturereset or is this not important. Also should we require that the wpt file must be inclued to be considered to be packaged correctly. This just gets really bloody anoying. Having to tag up on all the bots, of course this would not be required for conseptual maps.

If you could just leave your response on what you think about this idea, or add anything, take away or rephrase anything.

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Meister | 2010-04-01 14:51

My opinion is that you should get a real life man, and watch your typing too.
Sorry for the off-topic.

Kretren | 2010-04-01 21:57

/Frowny face.

Suicizer | 2010-04-02 00:34

ye like putting camp-friendly maps on quadro, while you hate campers, thats having a life :P.

MeatROme | 2010-04-01 19:48

This would have gone perfectly well as a comment on the packaging guide.
Your point is valid, although I wouldn't actually make it a requirement - seeing as we already have enough trouble getting all uploads to be packaged accordingly.
The WayPoint-File (wpt) is a relatively new feature and there's no real how-to up to explain to every mapper the way to create it - if one was written up I'd be more than glad to add it as a suggested addition onto the packaging guide.
Much like the texturereset.
As long as maps work for the current release they're fine, but a mapper planning for the future should consider it - then again, if textures drop out of the release-bundle it wouldn't make any difference wether they were properly referenced or not. This is mainly why we have the "deprecated"-tag - for when a new release makes using the node-data a "at your risk"-kind-of business.

Quin | 2010-04-02 06:01

I concur; even though I wrote the bots, I don't consider waypointing in Sauerbraten a requirement as they're not often (if ever) used in multiplayer matches, not to mention that the AI code will automatically drop waypoints if there are none present on the map.

However, this is a different story for Blood Frontier, where I expect waypoints to be added as we use bots as a gameplay balancing mechanism (and also to fluff out smaller games so maps are not so empty); but in that instance the nodes are stored in the map itself, not a separate file.

For the record, it's not very difficult. Type /dropwaypoints 1 and run around the map, being sure to avoid complicated moves that the bots cannot handle (rifle/rocket/grenade jumps, etc), in Sauerbraten type /savewaypoints when you are done, or in Blood Frontier simply type /savemap.

Chasester_aka_you | 2010-04-06 00:40

TO THE FIRST PART:

I believe that wpt should be required for the soul fact of people that are rating the maps. It is extremely annoying to walk around and tag up on all the bots in the game (especially on large maps). For critics to properly rate the map i believe that it needs to be played, and unless you and your favorite 10 friends want to play all the maps the wpt file is just the easiest way for this to be done. Plus how much of a big deal is it to wpt maps, you should probably play test before you release the game on quad, so i think that wpt file should be required.

skiingpenguins | 2010-04-01 20:58

" Having to tag up on all the bots" what do you mean by that??

Chasester_aka_you | 2010-04-02 00:51

I will have to write a how to about waypoints; its fairly ez

Suicizer | 2010-04-02 11:15

lucky me i always try to add waypoints to my maps, after i knew how it worked exactly :P.

Quin | 2010-04-02 05:55

I believe he is referring to how the bots stand still when they have no waypoints to follow; to get them to start moving you have to walk up to them, in the process dropping waypoints that they're able to latch on to.

Calinou | 2010-04-02 13:41

Ask to me, it's my job :/
Players should not drop waypoints when bots are here because they suicide too much otherwise. Or only when there is NO wpt file at all (except in BF, it cancels when fall in lava or void)

Waypoint package edition 2010 (with wpt loss) is coming !

RaZgRiZ | 2010-04-05 17:44

i just wonder if sauer and bf could implement a bot path generator, much like CSS computes bot path, encounter points etc in new maps. it could save a lot of time off mappers, especially in large maps where they are required to run around the whole map carefully without screwing up once in the process

Suicizer | 2010-04-05 19:59

:S so you actually mean like bloodfrontier could read a .ogz file (vice versa)? so actually just like the /importcube command in sauerbraten?

RaZgRiZ | 2010-04-05 20:11

where the heck did you conclude that? o.o

read the post again..

Windecker | 2010-04-06 00:18

That is the farthest from the post I've ever seen a response.
Congrats, you made me laugh.

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