Aha! You didn't give up on the theme I see. Or for that matter, the parts of the map you originally posted.. Good call.

This is a much more solid release than your last. In a larger setting the buildings you originally had work much better. But you took it further, developing an entire pseudo-symmetrical ctf map. I really enjoyed looking over this.

The barrels in the water are pretty useful for moving about the water.. Good call on those. However, you have none of them on land and again no ship to indicate where they would have come from. It's just my anal logic but I'd like to see that. Also, even with the small mountains in the background, there is not much to make the long-range view pleasant. A ship would blend nicely with the mix. I think you might also want to include larger, steeper cliffs so that the map doesn't feel so open. Plus, for anal logic's sake, why would two (or 1 in various parts) villages exist in the open sea? A nearby cliff, with a dock maybe, suggests they aren't too far off land. Plus I'm not a fan of inexplicable clip. And in this much water, I wonder how much flagcamping there would be underwater.. Not much, maybe, considering the risk if you get shot, but certainly greater than Shipwreck's.

There are some areas underwater that aren't heightmapped very well/at all. They're just a 45 degree slant downwards. It looks bad underwater, but also from above, as you can tell looking through the water that below it is an unnaturally rectangular mass of land.

The buildings look really interesting.. I know someone who developed a somewhat similar architecture design and it looks really abstract. Like Dr Seuss, but good. Plus I don't think cats even like water..

You didn't change much from the last version, and this I will continue to argue: those teleports are a nuisance! Running past them, I continually get caught on them. With teleports and jumppads, you want to ensure as much as possible that if people use them, they do so intentionally. Deepen the doorways if possible. Also, this might be an oversight on my part, but I noticed more teleports on one side than on the other.

Above all, great map. It should prove interesting to play.. Although with no waypoints (and with water involved, that's important) I couldn't really test this.

ohyeah, ur right with this teleports on the one side, i just forgot to delete tehm :) gonna fix that in the next upload.

and already tried a make a ship in the background, but actually, i failed or its just looks bad... dont know, but without this ship it looks much better.
refering to the barrels: on the one (new)side there are three barrels on land (not much, but i just tried to give a sign where the barrels in the water came from)

some cliffs, including in the background or on the islands, would be probably very cool, but...nah, i dont know, probably i just havent the patience to keep work on this map... As you may have noticed, I work in the last time not very long on a map (mbt3, creek)

I will wait for further comments until I upload the next update.
But thanks for the quick response, as always very helpful:)

btw. sorry for my bad english, but I'm pretty tired and a bit drunk :)

it was a good decision to stay at this style :), because :

+i really enjoy this style
+good gameplay
+you can climb around the roofs :P

-the clip is unlogical ( but this is at shipwreck , too. So it isnt as hard as you might think
-with the water its a lil bit hard to play

result : i am really interested in playing "caribbean" with 8 or more guys , because i want to see how it works. But the problem is : no waypoints :(. Please upload them the next time, so that i am able to test it reallay hard ( yes i invest a lot of time in testing other maps XD).
All in all it´s a sweet map, but maybe this style isnt the best for ctf (like i said above , its a lil bit hard with the water , but we´ll see the next time.

Greetings with 8/10 =)

needs moar capture-bases :O

you should improve the underwater-terrain a bit, but taking it as a whole, i like it

This look indeed more than just interesting, judging from the screenshot. When i find the time, i'll review it and post my comments later. But as it looks, it might be a possible future candidate for inclusion already.

nice map but there are still some geometry mistakes in the geometry under the water (like there is 1 close to the 1st island you made).
ill give 8/10 for it.

update 1:

-some geometry and terrain fixed
-some other small deatil/things changed/fixed
-added waypoints
-added capture bases

erm, there are no waypoints. waitpoints are stored in a [mapname].wpt file. but the zip doesnt contain a such file

Thx for the waypoints =).

I tested it for a long time now and i have to say : gameplay isnt the best :(

The problem is :
the most guys camped on their island and the others on their island, if you try to get out , you get shoot
because it´s kinda open. ( i played it 7 times , with 16 people and less (the most of them were bots). every game was 0:0 :O)

All in all i love the design , but gameplay is really hard to say.
we can watch it from the good side : its really tactical ;)

p.S : the lights on the floor doesnt fit the theme imho.

O.O maybe we should meet us ingame.

I swear that i saw some lights on the floor :P

This is a very nice map

Hm, downloaded it yesterday, wanted to start it, didn't start, a newmap came up. Downloaded again, started again, still didn't work. Then i noticed you spelled it "caribbean" instead of "carribean", that's why, hehe ;)

Ok, so this map looks beautiful...but gameplay-wise, it's indeed very open, which really might be a problem when playing. How about adding sth like a mountain in the center where you can run around it ? Maybe with a small cave or so...still easier to build than an entire ship or shipwreck, also uses less surfaces, just another idea though, dunno if it would really work well.

I'll give it a 7 for now, you're still working on it and depending on the changes, i'll rate it higher then afterwards...also, i'll take more time next time to review it.

Very, very nice, keep it up ;)

maybe an idea for this map,
name the bases.
its pretty easy, just put in cfg:
alias base_1 "island in the north"
alias base_2 "island in the east"
alias base_3 "island in the south"
alias base_4 "base positioned close to the lighthouse" (or "island in the west")
alias base_5 "the beach"

there is a small editmistake (not sure if it should be like this, but doesnt looks logical to me at least :P) on a mapmodel (those chains), thats just at the ladder coming out of the water, on the 1st island (the island i just named "island in the south").

still, nice map, good job!

Actually, did you consider making a boat in the middle area? With barrels on it? ;) That might be kinda cool and it would obstruct some shooting, especially if it has a mast.

I noticed that the first island you made has a bit of unbalance: anyone jumping from the dock can run away quite quickly, whereas the dock on the other side has deep water and only one path to the left of it, so a player's options are pretty limited in that way.

For the faraway islands maybe put a mapmodel tree or two on them?

I think I've exhausted my criticisms.

you should make some islands in the far distance that you can't reach.

im still working with texture blending...when in finished this, i will try to consider all of ur suggestions.

We need that map for next release ! I saw it with viruz, it's amazing !

Just the calclight is WAY too long.

update 2:

-added a shipwreck in the middle
-worked with tex blending
-fixed some other details

i really dont know whether the map looks better with or without this blended textures... I would be interested in what you think about it!

http://pixelbanane.de/yafu/2137037029/1.png

http://pixelbanane.de/yafu/3882917468/2.png

still need to textureblend either :P.

its much better now, with cfg :P.
but the ship doesnt got any logical explanation, why its in the middle of the map. it looks like it just falled out of the sky.
this can be fixed by making a gab between to islands, with some deeper geometry then between the other islands.
the other idea that i already commmented, is a hurricane that putted the ship just there. even tough, still needs much more destructed details in the map if that would the option...
but further,
the textureblending went nice, i like it ^^!
there are still some clip mistakes, like close to the island thats at the front of the ship. there is a bar of clip just floating around.
there is on the same island (but then at the other side of it) noclip that isnt necaserry. like on the backside of the house on the walls and beneath it (where a health and riflerounds are placed).

there are a bit to much pickups added in the map. there are 32 health! thats enough to let 8 players keep 100hp every 20 seconds! what about reducing that to 24 health? that would let 6 players keep 100hp every 20 seconds (so like the half of an avarage team).
the flow of the map is still nice, same to lighting, geometry and texturing.
there are waypoints added, but the bots should be able to reach much more of the islands. there are still many gabs between waypoints.

good job, i like the new updates, tough!
ill give 9/10 for it, just because after i played a match with bots and found out the pickups arent that good placed (at some parts of the map there are 2 rockets placed very close to each other, for example) and in insta, its a camper's holiday :P.

ok, the map is now nearly epic, just 2 points

failed texturing at 2 small islands:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2444/screenshot366192.png
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4211/screenshot338142.png

also you should propably add grass to the cfg.
With grass: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5627/screenshot378814.png
Without grass: http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/400/screenshot382387.png

here is the cfg:
http://pastebin.com/0w0XYUSX

atm 9/10, fix the texturing, then its 10/10

edit: something is messed up with the capture bases, at 1 point there are 2 base-enties
edit²: no, at 2 points are "double bases"
edit³: ok, 9 base enties but 5 platforms. btw what about a base in the ship?

Hate this map yet? :P

Nice ship.. Couple details: there are two geometry mistakes on the ground beside the ship. That's one block underground, and some other ground not pushed down to seam properly. Also, you missed a small bit of noclip on the edges of the mast. That's no huge deal. The flag could quite easily be fixed so it doesn't go to a sharp point and out again.

The grass on some islands is not actually blended. It's pure green on brown, which is kinda weird.. Also, I think I like it better without grass, at least in parts. One of the island cities (?) looks much better without green, and you haven't blended it (yet).

Admit it, you can do better than a perfectly symmetrical ship :P I can tell when all the broken planks of wood look the same from side to side. Maybe I'm the only one who would notice though.

I noticed, for all the broken stuff, there isn't a lot of stray blocks lying around. No broken bricks, no planks of wood, nothing.

Very good blending though. I think it would look better with the grass. Also, maybe now that there's life you can put a fern or two.. or ten in :P

Hate this map yet?

Uh... You added a... "shit"wreck in the middle? -_-

Anyways, I've been trying to do something similar for a while, so it's nice to know I'm not the only person with this concept in mind. =D

wow... i see you worked a lot with this map.

With the shipwreck you added a nice "hiding-spot" , now its easier to reach the enemy base "unseen".

The texture blending fits perfect and i really like this map

There isnt much to say anymore
10/10 now and forever :)

p.S : i gave 8 before

Very nice update ! The shipwreck is well-modelled, and with the texture blend it looks way more vital. Not SOO carribean-ish anymore, rather irish or scottish or w/e with all the green grass but i like it a lot.

The map is just getting very heavy now, it's now one of the only maps where i get less than 200 fps constantly at highest settings (1920x1080). Shouldn't be a real problem though, if i intended to play such a map online, i'd lower the settings a bit anyway.

"Upgraded" my rating from 7 to 8 now. I'm sure there is a 9 possible. Good job.

map is really nice in pretty much everything. i noticed a few areas where the texture blend is not done, some places where clip could be fixed, and map size which should be enlarged to blend with the skybox. maybe put a little more waterfog as well

also there is a big problem, which you may have noticed and plan to fix. the map clip that prevents players from leaving the boundaries allows people to go beneath it and leave the map.

won't rate just yet

Update 3 - Final:

-last texmistakes fixed
-other details added/fixed
-added/fixed clip

Very nice map. I enjoyed playing it with about 100 bots. 3 fps much? :D
Anyway, no real criticism here.

"Nothing Else Comes Close"

This map inspired me to make a similar skymap for Assault Cube.
If there is one thing could you bring the ship down a little"
Overall, nice map.

i just found some "easter-eggs" :D
cool map

yeah, i made this ones just of ace and his challenges :)

This is a beautiful map, lots of detail (the barrels in the water) and very good use of the water. I thought the "canonball wound" of the ship was also a funny detail. Two points of criticism:

1) maybe you can add an entrance at the front-end (or back-end) of the shipwreck for shelter and a better "flow". I mean, when you walk through the middle part you're an easy target.

2) I thought it could use some jump pads, to get on the rooftops or on the lighttower. There are some spots that look like they are jumppads but they're not (did you remove them?).