It looks like bt_falls and justice !

awesome map, but as already said ingame, a tad of issues need fixing. give a ring when its updated, i'll help get some things sorted out and visually enhance with details worth nothing :P

The finishes are really bad

doko/pepsi: if you don't mind, i'd like to take a sweep threw the map and fix some things i believe would be good :)

nice work, i hope my suggestions helped

ok ... in review... i hate the new textures... they are too flat... there is no content ... no variety ... basicly they look bad...

i like the new models the jumppad realy works ... but the vending machine is too bright .... i is just way to bright... tone it down a lil ...

the layout of the map is so so... this layout is way over used ... a base with 2 hallways which cross and an outside that goes all the way around... although i do like how u hited at more space by adding places you can not get to... basicly ... the layout is old and makes me want to yawn ...

as for the clip... its bad ... if you go up the later like structure ... by rifle jumping or rocket jumping... u find out quickly that its cliped... and not only that... but there is a punishment for going to the top... its called geting stuck... at the to off the lader thing if u get on the last rung that you can be on ... it sticks u there ... u can not rifle or pistle or rock or granade or any jump out... the only thing to do is exept your fate of being dead ....

the clip on this map needs removed it is pointless ....besides the clip that goes over the clifs... the lil arangement of houses is a good addition to the other wise boaring array of map lay out... basicly your map needs more exite ment...

YOUR HUMBLE MASTER
chasester

For chasester

"ok ... in review... i hate the new textures... they are too flat... there is no content ... no variety ... basicly they look bad..."

- thats your opinion.. i think dat da textures are ok not like the tex u used in pipes

"i like the new models the jumppad realy works ... but the vending machine is too bright .... i is just way to bright... tone it down a lil ..."

- LOL maybe is because you have your glare on intense also thats is a little detail :D

"the layout of the map is so so... this layout is way over used ... a base with 2 hallways which cross and an outside that goes all the way around... although i do like how u hited at more space by adding places you can not get to... basicly ... the layout is old and makes me want to yawn ..."

- Name me one map dat has dat layout.

"as for the clip... its bad ... if you go up the later like structure ... by rifle jumping or rocket jumping... u find out quickly that its cliped"

- LOL... thats obvious the top part of the map is off limit not suppose to be played, its background.
if that part was suppose to be playble there would be stair.

"and not only that... but there is a punishment for going to the top... its called geting stuck... "

- who would want to go on the top part of da map during a game u will die before u get to the top.

"the clip on this map needs removed it is pointless ....besides the clip that goes over the clifs... "

- WTF thats backgrounds u no. thats not suppose to be played on if it was obviously will not put clip :P
its not a camping map if u want to camp make ur own map with ur incorrect knowledge.

"the lil arangement of houses is a good addition to the other wise boaring array of map lay out... basicly your map needs more exite ment..."

... what have of bored a map with nice textures,models and unique colors...
the map woulded of been the texture where black or grey and just white lights..but its not.

- it should be nice if you apply your knowledge on your maps =) (example : pipes)

YOUR HUMBLE MASTER
Doko

this is our conversation thus far... my comments are below your comments which are below the highlights u pick from my review...

"ok ... in review... i hate the new textures... they are too flat... there is no content ... no variety ... basically they look bad..."- chase

- "thats your opinion... i think dat da textures are ok not like the tex u used in pipes" - Doko

- i realize this is subjective... but the thing is im a critic... so you should take it or leave it at face value ... that you are trying to defend your pathetic map just shows how much of a noob you are... i will admit pipes is not all that great of a map... but i am not sitting here trying to defend it either... you need to learn to take critics ... either by ignoring it or by proving it... no i will try to prove to you that the textures suck...
ok we will start with your concrete - obviously my maps are never textured right... but that has no ability to presive whether or not a map has horrible textures... my maps in general suck... that why i have given up on map editing ... and went strictly to review... besides i dont have time to make my own maps...

"i like the new models the jumppad really works ... but the vending machine is too bright .... i is just way to bright... tone it down a lil ..." - chase

- LOL maybe is because you have your glare on intense also thats is a little detail :D - Doko

- your damn right ... and also the exit sign is too bright...

"the layout of the map is so so... this layout is way over used ... a base with 2 hallways which cross and an outside that goes all the way around... although i do like how u hinted at more space by adding places you cannot get to... basically ... the layout is old and makes me want to yawn ..." - chase

- Name me one map dat has dat layout.-Doko

- ill give you only ONE LIST --- machanic, cube 1 version of orgosuply, frostbite, towers, orbe, stemple, Dm_BS1, oddworld, metl3
some of these maps are not perfect examples... metl3... one of the first and most famous maps has this layout... so i think that solves it... also machanic is a great example....

"as for the clip... its bad ... if you go up the later like structure ... by rifle jumping or rocket jumping... u find out quickly that its clipped"- Chase

- LOL... thats obvious the top part of the map is off limit not suppose to be played, its background. if that part was suppose to be playable there would be stair.- doko

- im a big person on wat u see you should be able to get to.. basically meaning ... if you dont want someone to get some were then ... dont make it so they can... if you really did not want them up there then raise it or clip it so they cannot get on top of the ladder thing... as for the camping comment... ALL MAP MUST IN ORDER TO MANTIAN BALENCE>> MUST KEEP ALL PLAYER TYPES IN MIND... but im sure u no more than me ... ive only been playing cube for 5+ years... im sure im the noob

"and not only that... but there is a punishment for going to the top... its called getting stuck... " - chase

- who would want to go on the top part of da map during a game u will die before u get to the top. - doko

- A NOOB THAT IS A CAMPER/sniper ... and does not no better... all u would have to do is clip that rung... its not that hard.... unless u like punishment
goes back to balancing play types... there is no place on the map for sniper... im not a sniper... just to let you no ... im a assassin... but for my adversary... the sniper... there needs to be a place on the map for them too... :)

"the clip on this map needs removed it is pointless ....besides the clip that goes over the cliffs... " -chase
- WTF thats backgrounds u no. thats not suppose to be played on if it was obviously will not put clip :P its not a camping map if u want to camp make ur own map with ur incorrect knowledge. - doko
- as i was told by a monitor ... "we here at cube try to keep a level of cleanliness"... dont say WTF... thanx
it is background but it can become play able ... easily ... by take the clip away ... heres the reasons... the towers ... the only other sniping place is all clipped out... so there are no places for the sniper... dajavu
"the lil arrangement of houses is a good addition to the otherwise boring array of map lay out... basically your map needs more excitement..." - chase

"... what have of bored a map with nice textures, models and unique colors...the map would of{have} been the texture where black or grey and just white lights..but its not. Doko

- ya if it were black and gray ... u would make it on the worst maps ever list... but sorry u lost... :)
the lighting on this map is crap ... may and i would be stretching it ... it would make the map playable .. may be... but i dont think so it...

- it should be nice if you apply your knowledge on your maps =) (example : pipes) -doko

-ooo so now ... your going back to critiquing my work... y dont you leave a comment on the map if it was that bad... at least im leaving some kind of constructive critics .. u are just trying to take cheap blows at a map that took me 40 min to put together... and the only reason i even did it was because i was learning .. how to make a perfect circle ... it was a crap map and not mint to go any were ... i only uploaded it ... so i could get a review on the struct of the circle...
you’re a noob face it... a very good noob... but you need to stop being a bumbling idiot and thinking that your work is perfect ... you need to open your eyes and see wat that there could just maybe be some kind of problem with your map ... you need to realize that u are not perfect... I no its a shock ... but let it sink in

THE GUY U SHOULDNT OF MESSED WITH
chasester

ooo ya its small not samll

"that you are trying to defend your pathetic map just shows how much of a noob you are"

LOL pathetic? look at your maps.

"but i am not sitting here trying to defend it either"

cos that dont have any comment.

"you need to learn to take critics"

but if that critics are from a noob?

"- ill give you only ONE LIST --- machanic, cube 1 version of orgosuply, frostbite, towers, orbe, stemple, Dm_BS1, oddworld, metl3
some of these maps are not perfect examples... metl3... one of the first and most famous maps has this layout... so i think that solves it... also machanic is a great example.... "

ok :D

"ooo so now ... your going back to critiquing my work... y dont you leave a comment on the map if it was that bad... at least im leaving some kind of constructive critics .. u are just trying to take cheap blows at a map that took me 40 min to put together... and the only reason i even did it was because i was learning .. how to make a perfect circle ... it was a crap map and not mint to go any were ... i only uploaded it ... so i could get a review on the struct of the circle...
you’re a noob face it... a very good noob... but you need to stop being a bumbling idiot and thinking that your work is perfect ... you need to open your eyes and see wat that there could"

lol... i think dat nobody is perfect
and you too need to learn to take critics :)

xD
owned
wow ive had to read all of dat :P

Throwing my hat into the ring..

I'll side with Chasester here. Lol, just to disturb the peace. He was offering a critique on the map, and Doko didn't take it well. Chase had opinions, some I find valid and will reiterate, and Doko made a war. If Chase can acknowledge that his maps aren't good (and that's no real excuse to stop mapping, so long as you enjoy it) then he IS a valid judge of others' work. Those who cannot play, coach. Those who cannot sing, become American Idol judges. Often people can pick out flaws in works that they themselves know they cannot make, for whatever reason.

That said, I feel the map has pretty good atmosphere. There are cliffs and distant-enough buildings (with actual work put into them - my core_transfer buildings that are, in theory, unreachable.. they suck). My critique is that you tried pushing the engine too far, and it REALLY bit you hard. Don't bother with using small gridsizes to make things super-detailed if the whole area isn't going to look perfect. Case in point, the curved doorways have a black trim on them that, because of the gridsize, does not fit the doorway, and it does not seam with the ground either. You could make the ground flat in that one area so that the walls join to it, rather than floating over. Also, the other problem with small gridsizes is that they're not infinitely small - you had to resort to severely curving the blocks to fit the objects, and this messed up the lightmap. Frankly, when I see a ruined detail, it completely negates anything creative you are trying to do, and makes the map overall worse because it looks like not much thought was put into the smallest detail. There are many of these cases in the map.

Another example: the handrail you created (not the mapmodel ones) - first off, why would you not use a yellow texture to make all the handrails in the map uniform? Next, again you tried making the object too detailed (you made the railing more circular while also angling it) and it doesn't work. Not only is it bumpy (a product of you copying and moving in a too-small gridsize I imagine) but you again used the texture-stretch method to make it seam and that ruins the texturing.

The circular 'watchtower' you put in the corner doesn't seam with the surrounding rocks properly. I imagine some re-thinking would fix this problem, either by changing the shape of the circular building or the surrounding rocks.

I don't have a huge issue with the textures. They're rather good and every release they've been on so far has had some really good qualities about it. This is very similar to Justice though - no complaints, but this map seems more of a continuation of that map than a standalone release.

I will side with Chase on the clipping matter - it is possible, by riflejump (and therefore in every game mode) to get on those large ladder things, and then get stuck quite easily. At the very least, clip each rung to fix that problem, but also revise the whole situation there. Consider this: if you wanted the area inaccessible, would you really make it so easy to get up there? Logically, any player could get to the top. The only thing stopping them is clip, which ruins the atmosphere of the game. If you keep the clip there, I would suggest removing the ladders or making them taller so even grenades can't give a player access to the top.

I have no complaints about the rest. This is above all a very good map. Good lighting, atmosphere, architecture (I see this theme becoming more and more prevalent now) and texturing. Work out the small details and the logic of the map though..

7/10

thx ketren =)

I like it...you built some great stuff (i like your achitecture) BUT the lighting is one of the worst i've ever seen, to be honest. Why are you using so many, weird placed lights ? They always overlap, cast multiple, ugly shadows and also some lightcolours cast coloured shadows where they shouldn't exist.

Also, the clip material makes no sense to me, i can't understand why for some years people go and clip off the entire maps' upper parts so they get unaccessable.

If people want to jump up stuff, just let them go there. The clip as it is now still offers many opportunities to make grenadejumps and hide in some corner, due to the cubish clip and the natural looking shapes of the organic geometry...let them at least have access to the inner edges so they slip down again or can't really camp up there.

I'll give you 7/10 for the first impressions i had on this map (because i really like how you made the buildings and their details - great job !), with a good lighting (this also includes the sunlight colour - white is not good, way too sterile and boring) this one could easily be worth 9/10 or maybe even higher if there are no more issues (such as bad clipped parts), but then it should be kinda perfect already.

Oh and your selfmade handrails look good but the clip material again seems to have deformed their cubes on the bottom sides (look at them from below). I'll post again if i find more.

nice map but i dislike the "blueish" light you putted above the buildings. its gives a very strange "blueish" shadow to objects like your own handrail (or just on the stairs that are connected to your handrail), what is for my opinion not very realistic.

further, i think both players could calm down a bit and not stealing each other signatures like "YOUR HUMBLE MASTER". this creates disrespect between players (so just get your own).

btw, clipping, keep it like this if you like that players can acces the hills :P.

anways nice map, i just dislike some parts of the lightning. ill give 7/10 because its not original themed.

i've been working on my owns on this map, making some structures better, fixing textures and making the lighting better, but doko has to be online when i do that if to ever see most of the fixes in this map =]

Just so its out in the open now, Doko.
Use /blurskylight 2.

Then everybody will stop complaining so much about the light.

lovely , cant say anything ^^ ,but :

- I found some bug at the mountains
- you can reach the top of the clip easily

Great work
8/10

Wow ppl got really excited. Its just a map. I dont think that it is really that big of a deal.

CFE

nice map ! :D
I see its a very modern map ! ;D
ill give 10/10 :D

Mr.DNL.

this is the final update :D

Mmmh. Mmmh. Your ZIP is pretty big - actually you should probably just mention the requirements (pepsis skybox, nieb texture-set and justice mapmodels) and include links to their respective nodes here on quadropolis; then your ZIP would just contain the map and be small - so people who already have those requirements installed don't waste time/bandwidth re-downloading and have to trust you not to overwrite the originals with something crappy and/or have to manually extract from the ZIP!

The additional benefit of this is that you don't have to care about the sanity of the requirement packages - like the skybox, which comes with uppercase JPG-extensions, which makes it non-cross-platform - as soon as pepsis fixes his package your map will work fine on other platforms too!

I haven't downloaded the last update, since you've switched to some stupid download-site that requires me to enable JavaScript and then wants me to wait for roughly a minute before starting the download. Put your file up here!

Regarding the version I saw: it looks as nice as the screenshot and the layout seems very open, so probably gonna see a lot of action on it.
I'm not really sure wether you actually needed those mapmodels, I didn't feel them giving any /real/ depth to the setting - see above re:bloat of filesize.
Also, maybe you've fixed this already, but if not: put some more clipping onto those slanted elements with girders inbetween them (shown on your screenshot). I mean those concrete elements that go from the platform level up to that house - only the upper parts are clipped and you can still get stuck on them in the version I tried out.

its pepsi :D