Hostility Mappack | Quadropolis

Drekow | 2010-02-10 21:25

Hostility Mappack

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Blurb Hostility Mappack - 9 maps for 1on1 CTF - Reversed - Update1 18-02

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I have done this maps to cover the "lack" of some true 1on1 ctf suitable layout.
I hope you like this work, and suggest me for the final relase.

All this map are Reversed, the spawn points are all in the enemy base! You Spawn near the enemy flag all times. This is hardcore for ctf duel games.
Obviously, you can play 2vs2 ctf here, and it can work, but i think more than 4 players are simply "a lot" here; say to me if this is not the truth.
I have put also 3 bases in almost each map, you can try to do a "capture duel", but a 2vs2 game should be perferct. Some maps works better than other, and they are not so optimized for this game mode. I can also understand that random base remove a lot of strategy, and i have not mirrored the bases too, but in capture, were you spawn, with weapons the gameplay is intact, maeby only a bit of more lucky. For same reason i don't like to play regen here.

So the map are:

db1r

Powerups: None
Bases: 3
TODO: Feel it empty? Need some models? Which/Where?

db2r

Powerups: Healt Boost; Quaddamage.
Bases: 3
TODO: Need better weapons near the spawnpoints?

db3r

Powerups: Yellow Armor; Healt Boost; Quaddamage.
Bases: 3

db4r

Note: Not really ok for capture.
Powerups: Healt Boost X2; Quaddamage.
Bases: 4
TODO: Left 3 bases only? How?

db5r

Note: No bots here they suidice all time, for this reason waypoints are incomplete.
Powerups: Yellow Armor X2.
Bases: 3
TODO: Base on the centre is ok?

db6r

Note: No life in this map.
Powerups: Quaddamage.
Bases: 3
TODO: Should have to fix the way for the very upper side of the map?

db7r

Powerups: Yellow Armor X2; Healt Boost; Quaddamage.
Bases: 3
TODO:Underwater, should i remove it?

db8r

Powerups: Yellow Armor; Healt Boost X3; Quaddamage X3.
Bases: 3
TODO: too many powerups? Need to remove some? Which/Where?

db9r

Powerups: Yellow Armor; Healt Boost; Quaddamage.
Bases: 3
TODO: Should have to fix the way for the very upper side of the map? I like it, but I understand it can be really abused!

Have nice duel and report issue!

And thanks to Warwolf for testing.

PS: sorry for the epic upload fail!
I have changed (and hopefully cleared) the screen.
There are some minor bug-fixes on this maps in this relase.
And also sorry for the lost of the 2 comments, but something was turning wrong on my internet (& Quadropolis), and i can't modify/fix the node so i have to delete and try to do another one.

Map file hostilitymappackU1.zip (6.56 MB)

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Comments

mhelenurm | 2010-02-11 00:12

love the maps. very nice design!

Drekow | 2010-02-11 13:28

Thanks, i hope they can be also fun ;)

Quin | 2010-02-11 02:07

Your images have a width larger than 640 pixels, causing them to go off the edge of the screen in lower resolutions (1024x768 and lower). Please fix this.

Drekow | 2010-02-11 13:21

Have resized to width="639" height="280" in the html. If is ok - ok; if not will reup the image again.

Quin | 2010-02-11 15:02

Perfectly fine, thanks. :o)

MisanthropX | 2010-02-12 19:24

1 - too small, you can shoot from side to side, cubism, no architecture, adding sound for the reason of having sound, bad sound, using mapmodels
2 - never use 45° slanted geometry for walkways, it looks awful, random cratespam, a level designer should never add something randomly, not even crates, only because you are too lazy to think of a real layout then crates, awful rain particles,, should be higher
3 - really small map, unfitting textures, glass in an egyptic-industrial-metal themed map wont fit, glass without borders = evil
4 - maps on only 1 level are very very boring, there are is only a flat platform with some ways to hide.
only 7 lights.
5 - better try, at least better then previous maps, again almost only 1 level(stage) create more ways to upper level then only a broken wall.
6 - night themes need even more better lighting,
there are whole mountains shrouded in blue or red,
dont create lights without any sources like light textures, create more then only 1 single way, the happy sound theme doesnt fit to the night theme, do not use the terrain tool unless you can handle it
7 - use more different textures of the same set. not only 1 tex. and again cubism, overdone particles.
8 - eight was the awfulst until now, too long corridors, random colors, 45° degree ramps, because the engine allows you to climb 45° ramps you shouldnt place it, it looks awful and it breaks the atmosphere totally,, if there were ever one in db8r
9 - too much glass, cubism, 45°ramps,

well that was cruel, dont take it personally, everyone starts off in a small way, i hope you take my advice and try to put effort which you have put on this map package in only one map, and polish it.
ask serious level designers for advice and how it looks like.

Drekow | 2010-02-12 20:59

Thanks, critics are appreciate.
I'm happy that you have spent some time to look them all.

For 1 - i'm not really sure what to do... i'm searching for sound in general, but i like the central one and this map. Maybe some start are too distant...

2 - I will put another level of rain on the top of the actual one? How to have it less awful?
Also the layout is based on 45° wall to climb. If it failed it failed at the very start...

3 - I will border that glass probably, also, to easy permit jump from glass to glass.

4 - yeah is what i have in mind! (Is a penis comparison style) If i put another platform it will be another map. I can fill of jumppads... but have not really liked that idea.

5 - i will put a second way to the upper for sure, and maybe a third.

6 - For some reason i would like to remove this map. For some reason i have not removed. I can try to fix lights. For sound the problem is always the same. find it!

7 - maybe will have to change textures to differ the 2 bases a bit more. I'm also in panic about underwater... it simply sucks.

8 - 45° can be fixed, trying breaking corridors. I found a bit of atmosphere in each of my map, and the random colour and cube layout are part of this, but is possible that i only can see that because I have mind it.

9 - Glass in the lateral way are here to smooth the way and prevent to get stuck in corridoirs. The big glass is to complicate the way to the very up. I love glass, so i tend to abuse about it, it a fault i know.
The "cubism" is for the architecture i'm inspired.
And yes, Tempest have inspired me a lot too...

You argue are not cruel, and i can't take it "personally"; i have start with an idea of 10 maps, have done some like 12 (but really a lot more layout not necessary on the editor) and the choose 9 of them, so this is a package to fell new a gamemode more than a relase map. I have try to have different kind of map, and i always think about them as about a tournament in 9 round (odd number). So I don't take db7r, or db9r and relase only them.

I have a lot of projects in mind for this system and for this game, but the lacks of the engine/editor compared to some other programs/games don't give me the energy to do something "better" than what I have relased. Nevermind about this last paragraph...

MisanthropX | 2010-02-13 00:12

i agree that you cant do several things with the engine, but utilize what it offers ;)
its possible to do a lot of cool things..

about the sound:

try to fade the sound more a bit in, add multiple sounds in 1 area,

in tempest i had a mixture out of 3~4 sounds in the middle ;)
also try to make it fit,a computer sound doesnt fit to a castle-textured map

Mysterious | 2010-02-14 18:56

I like your style so i gave ya 6/10 points, but pls promise me : never use glass again XD

Drekow | 2010-02-15 11:49

Ahhahahah.... no.

If you don't like glass take a look a Lamiera, http://www.quadropolis.us/node/2321. (Sarcastic, and yes, admire what a men can do to spam!)

In this mappack I have serious stopped my consciousness from spamming glass everywhere. But you can sleep undisturbed: in the next map that I'm making there are no glass, and a more conventional gameplay...

Mysterious | 2010-02-16 11:50

After i watched out your maps clearly, i am able to write an longer critic ^^ :

I like your style (it´s unique, never found someone with the same style like you) and the gameplay isn´t as bad, but i also got some problems with them :

1. Like i said above : i dont like the parts of glass ^^ (egyptian style and glass ? xD)
2. Try to keep your maps more round ( because i sometimes stucked on some corners)
3. sometimes you built 2 quads !!! (Not a bad idea , but they were to easy to get ^^)
4. Sometimes the sounds dont fit the theme

After this problems ( really little ) i want to give you an advice ( lol me the noob mapper is giving you an advice !! xD) : Try to built one huge and detailed map , instead of nine little (but nice) maps ( have you ever seen some guys playing ictf or ctf , capture with only 2 guys ?? :P)

I have to say db8r is my favourite map , because i love those magnifizent textures ( and i also used them at my new CTF : maybe you want to look out here http://www.quadropolis.us/node/2481 )

All in all i saw , YOU LOVE MAPPING !
So i give you 7/10 points ( instead of 6/10 before)

Keep mapping , i want to see more of you ^^

Drekow | 2010-02-18 15:47

Have updated a bit of all. Not really finished nothing but now i hope the map are better. Some screen are a bit outdated will fix them when I found time to do it.

Some update:
db1r: a bit of sounding.
db2r: rain.
db3r: glass have border and a central platform
db4r: New platform, new bases, glass have border.
db5r: ready to remove it from next relase, emmm, new way to go up, a new platform for base quad damage at the centre.
db6r: better/softer light - added a temp sound.
db7r: now bases looks more different.
db8r: redone a lot of layout, now tubes make harder to shoot from flag to flag. Bases are replaced. Green armour removed and added a teleport to the up.
db9r: add some particles for jumppad. Not really sure about them...

Chasester_aka_you | 2010-02-19 22:33

this is going to be long... just to warn u ..... i was reluctent to review this at first but u ask for it...

OVERALL PROBLEMS WITH YOUR STYLE....
your maps are good in layout as a whole the map how ever lacks interest.. the letters on im typing have more interest than this ... they have more curves

and rythem and movement in style... the maps u make are not bad but u need to make just one circle or curve ... the maps start square ... be different

and change it up ...

the maps lack any theme.. mostly ... some of them have theme but its not clear or defined... the squaredness of the map effects my ablity to realy true

judge the map on a texture bases ...

for ctf .... it is complete vitle that you make a diagram of your map going from one flag to the other... start at the flag and then look to see wat

options you have then split those options .... and those and those ... figure out how many different ways there are to the flag and how many ways dont

led to the flag ... all routes in all game modes should never dead end ... unless under special circustance... like there is some artistic reason ...

exmple metl4 ... in this map the ya (yellow armour... is in the corner and there is no way out ... but his is a super special curustance... to have a

better flow to your ctfs and other game modes do this ploting out before you texture...

Particle ooo my love particles.... u need to work with the particals they are not right on most of your map ... if u want serious particles make them

darker .... cuz darker is realier... realy ... brown is real ... i personly hate when ppl do that but its the way your subpose to do ...

O U MUST LOVE GLASS.... u use way too much glass ... id say about twice did i ever see it even useful ... the reason glass exist ... like lava... is to

tell the difference between noobs and pros ... some times its hard... there are very very very very few maps that use either one... and the glass is

always in a window ... that a fact... lava is used normaly to stop u from falling off the map... instead you die by lava... arent some of the editors

nice.. u die by burning to dead instead of falling inst and invisable wall and dying....

now to get to the map indivually ... o i took the liberty of naming all the maps for u ... it will help emphasize a point... :)

db1r aka MapModels Gone Wild

ok the title is a lil extreme but wat can i say this map is the best ... at least one of the best ... good lay out very open... but with this openness u

need more cruves and circles... triangles??? any thing but squares ... the map uses map models without seting them in the config... ok to set the

mapmodels in the config do the following...

mapmodelrest
mmodel "file/extention" //mmodel stands for map model.... duh

do this like the textures... this will set all the map models to be permently... so if they add more modles then you will not have o worry... :)

ok after telling you how to do mmodels ... i will say dont... use particals or a texture or both for jumppads ... mmodels are good normaly for one maybe

2 maps ... that they were made with ... unless u make your own ... dont use them... for teleports to get rid of the map model just type
teleport id# -1
for teleport 1 type
teleport 1 -1
the frist number is the tag number the second is the mmodel ... so u can use any model and make it spin... GO NOOBS...

ok otherwise ... besides the particals... there some wat ok ... but ... it may need a lil work
gj ... "mmodels gone wild" is a pretty good map 7/10

next
db2r aka RAIN RAIN Y RAIN

ok oviously i dont like the rain its prety obvious ... the map has no content nothing but squares sprous it up a bit .... find some shape besides square

ok the particles ... the ones on this map are ok ... they could be tweeked... like the read one not be so red and the green so green ... darken them

up... the smoke looks best when u donot put so much in the same spot.. if you wat it to look realy smokey use a different partical effect... um there is

one ... i can not rember which one ... but u need to work with the particles any way so ill let you find it...

on comment... normally i dont comment on weapon place ment because ppl hardly ever play ffa ... normaly its some form of insta but the health should not

be all outside.. this goes back to noing your map... you need to no how people move on a map and judge wat places ppl will fight ... camp and so on

the GLASS ARRRG u the glass in the middle is unnessary get rid and make clip... this will make it better looking

next again ... will it ever end

db3r aka particles on Drugs

if you were to look at this map from my view you would see a incressing decline of the maps over the spand of this pack ... this map u use to many

unnessary particles .. the particle was for enphasis not to detail a map .. the jumppad particle is good ... but there are 6 of them ... maybe 2 or 1 big

one but not 6... secret of cube... its a SQUARE map editor.. so the items on the map should be as such ... so look in 1 4 16 32s make things square ...

it makes stuff look better ...

ok the texutes are soso but it is so square... make a circle plez plez ... i need a circle somewhere... the one u use for the jumppad... dont ever ever

ever use that one again ... its a light texture for above a door or allong a stair well ...

db4r aka jumppad follies

a supprising twist in the middle of the map pack there is a good map ... beond the basic lack a detail ... this is a good map .. u did a good job at

creating a basic layout and map ... now to the title... the general rule of thumb about jumppads is that the jumppad should land the person squarely on a

flat surface if they do not move in any direction ... for one of the jumppads its close but the other your way short.. u should lad squarely because your

arent takeing a strool in the park your fighting ... ppl do not have time to make sure they move the right way.... exeption to this rule of course is

nmp8... on this map there is a jumppad that fings you across the map ... and if you are good enough u can land and get the ya... otherwise u miss... the

exption does have a catch... u have to land on some thing if you miss... so the rule stands ...

ok the particles are lacking that good ... but also wats lacking is size... its a ctf map ... u need some space... it is the size of a dual on the map of

a ctf... not good ...

db5r RockOlot
ok no ... no no no no no no no no no no no ...if this map pack hit a crap climax this would be it... just remove this one from the map pack... there its

on strait way to get to the flag ... i u add some clifs and other ledges but otherwise no no no no no no no....

ok will make this one short... THIS IS THE BEST MAP IN THE PACK... for one reason... there is a circle... no realy this is number 2... but still this map

does not lack most of the things... it could use a lil more details ... but mostly this layout is not as good as the 1st map... this map is complete...

there are only very minor changes to be made...

db6r aka crap pours hard and fast
ok no ... no no no no no no no no no no no ...if this map pack hit a crap climax this would be it... the crap just it the fan... just remove this one

from the map pack... there its on strait way to get to the flag ... i u add some clifs and other ledges but otherwise no no no no no no no....

db7r aka O This Looks Farmilar
this map looks just like core transfer... like the same textures and the samd river under the map... no copy cating... o and even those bars on top of th

base ...

Glass agian .. wow... no glass get rid of it plez ...

db8r aka BRIGHTNESS KILLS ME

ok look up brick ... its a lego map and oddly enough i just reviewed it ... this map just lacks the ablity to be taken seriously ... bright colors are

not realistic.. i would suggest working on the texturing by making your own texture... this goes for all your maps...

next one more ...there is still hope

db9r aka AND PARTICLES GET WORST

work on the other maps and get rid of this one and the one before ..and 6...

well the tourture is almost over ... this is curl and unusual punishment ...
im going to add this in ... but i dont know if this is important... this is how you should edit...
thought(basic idea theme) concept(expand theme make basic map layout) waymap(figure out all the paths and where they led ... figure out the key points of

the map ... campingspots and sniper post ... etc) texture ( lay a story down with a visual theme) light (fix the repetiveness of the textures with light)

optimize (look at the key points and camper/sniper places ect. and put amo accordingly) Review (get critics to look at it) Revise (fix wat they told u to

do) ... finish

YOUR HUMBLE MASTER
chasester

it only took 1 hour... feels like an eternity

o ya ... i dont feel like spell checking ... so sorry ... but idc :p

RaZgRiZ | 2010-02-19 22:55

holy shit, you took a really long review here. No offense, but your formatting of your posts sucks terribly. Especially this post, while it might draw some attention due to its size, will just fend someone off because of the poor formatting, its impossible to read. please consider this and try to make your posts more "readable" :)

Drekow | 2010-02-20 00:05

ok ok, loads of nice things in this review for me.

so... a fast replay and not exhaustive:

db1r = i will put the mapmodel in config, i have not thinks about it. I like this map.
db2r = Almost ready to be removed, as i say before, it sucks inside. I can try to do a better castle, for the rain this is the best i can do!
db3r = I love this map. what dead end you are talkikg about? I think here particle are ok.
db4r = What kind of jumppad follies are you talking about? I can modify it to move only up, but then i cann't control were player will go, and weird things can happen (like riflejump on healtbost when now you have to bazooka jump or do the "platform game").
db5r = Ready to remove it, i have done this map two times i will do a 3° i can't do the map i wants. Now this is the map i rate wrost!
db6r = This should be a one (sure?) way hardcore game (as almost all this mappack was originally) i can't understand if you like it or not. Is a possible free slot...
db7r = I staterd from the same confing of core_trasfer... it can be a plage, but core_transfer is one of my favorite map, and this map in the testing is one of the best! I like it, and thing it is almost perfect in ctf, insta or capture it have 3 different gameplay mode. Underwater sucks i'm serching for any ideas, also remove it is a nice one...
db8r = On my PC luminosity seems ok in game. Not in the editor but in game seems ok. Any other have luma issue? I like playing here and it is really fast in insta!
db9r = I added the particles that sucks here, but before i will set them to a darker (desaturate) color i have to do/found a texture for the jumppad.

For gameplay i think that more than camping (who camp in one on one ctf?) the problem can be the bad habit to score and suicide (db4r) this can be considered like spanw kill.
Now i will read you comment one more time. Thanks for doing it and thanks for the time you have spend.

Chasester_aka_you | 2010-02-20 01:54

summary:
db1r: the best map ... i would get rid of the mmodels tho
db2r: remove
db3r i do not think i said deadend.. cuz there is non... for this map ... i would darken your particles... and get rid of the ones on the ends because u could put a pilar or something else there to make it look better
db4r ok when u make a jumppad ... make it so that u do not have to press any keys to get to the location u want... in this case raise both of them up and move them father out... if u jump on the pad and u fall off the map without hiting any keys ... u fail
db5r DONT REMOVE THIS ONE>>> ITS REALY GOOD
db6r no no no not a free slot ... just delete it... the map is to liniar ... there is one way to the flag... it is a strait path up and back ... it is bad...
db7r REMOVE
db8r the game is fine... it could be darkend but in practicallity is that no one wants to play on a level like this ... cuz it is not realistic enough
db9r If you play with this u could get this to work

your doing a good job

Drekow | 2010-02-20 02:37

I will never remove db7r, is awesome (for me and for the games i have played in it)!
I can consider retexturing using the Extended Philipk textures ones.
But really no more.

I can't understand why you don't like it...

For db6r "a free slot" means remove.

db4r and the jummpad have to think about it, but is possible that i do it.

When i'm searching for reality I use the unreal engine 3, when i'm searching for a fast game in cube, a nice editor about cube, and a game who run on OSX, i choose sauerbraten. I don't need for reality. I'm only interessed in gameplay, this game is great because is fast, and gameplay is addictive, graphics is more than enough; and is the gameplay that is important! Loads of recent game have a nice graphics but lacks all other things! Similar is for my creation here, for this little maps the only important thing is that they are FUN. And i'm sure that all nine are enough fun for a relase here, obiusly you have to play it in multyplaier with a friend, 10n1 ctf, instagib on if you prefer, and the magic will come.

However i will consider your advice.