http://sauerbraten.org/docs/editref.html#waypoints

First off, I absoulutely Love the geometry of this map, and I especially like the section of hallway with the bars going around it ( visible left of center in map shot )

The textures seem a bit random in my oppinion, some strike me as good, some look like they shouldn't be there at all. A key thing I looked at was a lot of those "pipes" or curved extrusions from the walls, lots of them having some odd textures for what they appeared to be. Your choice of colors also seems to vary a fair bit.

The layout seems pretty good to me, though I don't really look at layout all that much in most maps..
I also really liked how you put the two monsters in the tanks. ^.^

My suggestion is to work on the textures some more. I shall be watching. :P
3/5 for now, my vote will be updated with any updates to come.

Also: Waypoints.
/aidebug 6 -enables the viewing of waypoints
/addbot - they dont seem to be dropped untill you add a bot ( it can be removed right away )
Now run around and drop waypoints, they are dropped as you walk, keep em orderly and dont jump.
/savewaypoints -saves waypoints

/delselwaypoints will delete all waypoints in a selection, if you screw up.

Wow, great map! Im gonna have to disagree on windecker bout texturing tho, I think that they're pretty fitting 99% of the time ;) Lighting seems a little over-powered, at least the red lighting I sorta dislike. Perhaps make it a bit softer?

About layout, theres a massive amount of clipping that still needs to be done. At the moment I get stopped at almost all walls or doorframes since theres no clipping to the side. It would enhance gameplay a hell of a lot more if that wouldnt happen.

I really really love this map. Theres so much love in detail, and appart from the missing clipping for gameplay this has actually even got great potential for starred content and Id even call for release candidate ;)

4/5 cuz the clipping sux hehe

but 5/5 for style ;)

Ok, so lets see.

- I need to improve clipping the walls and door frames.
- I need to improve the texturing.
- Add waypoints
- soften red lights

Anything else?

By the way windecker, are you talking about the pipes on the ceilings or the ones coming down from the ceiling? And could you specify where in the map I need to do this? that'd be great.

K1P57A, is there anything else I need to clip/noclip besides the walls? And for the red lights do you mean making them smaller or lessening concentration?

Thanks all for comments.

Well by clipping I basically mean anything that will stop you from moving forward using the "W" key. So if you run up to a wall diagonally and get stuck it needs some clipping ;)

With the red lights I meant the intensity of with which the light shines... perhaps use some softer shades of red and spread em a bit more? I guess thats a question of taste anyways :)

It's all been said by now, but I have a few other small things:

-the pipes look really bad.. They're not curvy; they're jagged. And the ones going into the Satan monster look poor as well. With those, if you can't make them more natural looking, opt for a simpler design. The 'wires' in reissen are only able to curve around architecture because they are so simple and grid-like. And for this loss in quality, they don't look bad. Try to make yours simpler as well.

-the water's color can be changed. I think it would look good either as green or rust-colored, because green would look cool for those monsters in the tanks, and rust is an interesting color for the water in a machine-theme map. Pick either one.. The clear water doesn't really work though.

-you have a lot of clipping/noclipping to do. Notable places include the passageways into the vents, and the doorways.

Pretty good map. A lot of them were released today it seems.. I'll give this 3/5 for now. The layout's a bit confusing at first and there are a lot of things to fix. Once they're done this is 4-5/5.

Kretren, besides the Satan monster could you specify which pipes? There are numerous pipes in the map =/

YEHAAAAAAAAA

this is a map ive been waiting for.

awesome in every point:
-geometry
-texturing
-lightning
-atmosphere
-layout

5/5

only a single point:
please remove the clipping of the water

Looks nice, I like what you did with my textures :)

As others said, a lot of the pipes are textured in a rather strange way. Generally, I would try to avoid using tile and panel textures on the pipes. Instead, maybe go for a plain 1-colour texture or something.

D'oh !

I just added waypoints me... for nothing !

Like it.

Lights could be a bit more brighter..
overall really nice

i like the idea of the monsters in the quarantine :D

I really like this map. Great work and good choose on textures.

Excellent map for ffa. Really

but a little bit poor in weapons and thier place not always well choose.

Why this map is not starred content?

Gameplay notations are based on classic FFA modes.

Gameplay (1vs1) : 4/5 (+)hard access to the quaddamage, (+)jump from a level to another, (-)positions/choice/number of items
Gameplay (ALLvsALL) : 2/5 (-)too small, (-)not enough items
Gameplay (global) : 28/35 + 6/15 = 34/50

Mapping (technical) : 4.5/5 (+)lights/shadows, (+)details on textures, (+)polygon details, (+)mapmodels
Mapping (general aspect) : 4.5/5 (+)colors, (+)atmosphere, (+)lights and reflections!!!
Mapping (global) : 13.5/15 25/25 = 38.5/40

Configs : 2.5/5 (-)decrease of FPS, (-)bad optimization
Configs (global) : 5/10

Global (total) : 77.5/100

can i ask how u wanna play "assassin" on this map :P?

anyways, gr8 map i give 80 pooints for it.

Updated!

Its a pretty good map, but there were two non-major problems that i noticed. The first is the shape of the pipes throughtout the map. The pipes are rigid instead of curvy and flowing, but thats no big deal. the real thing that bugged me was the overuse of many textures. Some spots look really nice, but like the ventilation shafts sorta need a different texture. you could try "mitaman/mm-metalplate173_1.jpg" or "mitaman/mm-metalplate173_long_1.jpg". There are some other places where it seems a bit repetetive, but im not going to be too picky lol. Other than than, great job on the lighting and weapon/armor placement. And the tanks with the creatures in them adds a nice creepy effect. 8/10 is what i would give this map.

congratulations :D
concerning this great map, the trak5 textures will probably be part of the new sauerbraten edition :D

I took a 20 mins tour of the map, watching the details and the geometry
and i do have some big complaints

My first complaint are the textures. Some indeed look random at places, others should be specified with an offset in the cfg to match certain position which look bad.
Also the geometry could be improved at a point. the pipes could be made better, the monster tanks could be improved, some clipping could be fixed..

I cannot possibly describe which points could be fixed, as they are many. only thing i can do is help you improve it if you agree to.

6/10 for now

nah keep it saueristic to!