The map is very beautiful and the gameplay is fine but i notice some detail that i dislike

1] some textures are strange choosed... but that's not really a problem
2] when you take the Teleport in order to get the flag or to go in the camp point, you have only one way to escape. this way is to jump in the middle of the map, and when you jump you are very simple to shoot( we can see that on face-capture)
I think that you must make some way in the recht and left side of the flag point and the camp point.
3] You can score with the flag very fast and a bit too fast. 5 or 6 sec is the way between the 2 flag. And there are some cover in this way.. or kill the team and score...
4] you can camp behind the flag teleport very easyli ... this camp can be a bit bored...
Anyway the map is great (however some strange texture) Good job ;)

The texturing is really poor, I think.. It's far too random, repetitive, and boring, while chaotic, oddly.

The layout is really poor, too.. It's confusing to navigate, and many paths serve little purpose. Plus you have a camper's godsend in the form of that rooftop thing.. That will be really annoying to deal with. face_capture is really annoying, but at least the snipers can be shot with reasonable accuracy. In this I don't think anyone will have a chance.

If it is in fact 6 seconds (I wasn't able to figure out the paths) that's WAY too short. Even a map like capture_night is 10-11 seconds, and how many times do games end early on that since the team reaches 10 points?

The architecture is random and unwieldy, with no real unifying theme.

Finally, it feels like a staged arena. There's nothing in the way of a developed 'world' here. You've done this in your other maps as well.. The map is constructed up to where it's absolutely necessary rather than having unreachable, arguably unappreciated details off to the side, like cliffs, trees, and whatnot. Even if nature's not your thing you could develop far-away looking towers and such in the background.

I say 2/5. A lot of work was put in here, but it's fundamentally flawed. It feels less like a map and more like an arena, and as an arena it's not designed fluently.

Hey Meister,

I've testplayed this a little and the first thing, texturing and lighting etc asides, that appeared to me is that a lot of areas are way! to narrow for SB standards. The map definately has some potential, and im sure that there has been a lot of work been put into this. But as I mentioned, runnin on this map is extremely hard. You cant run for two steps without getting hooked by some obstacle, stairs, ramp or some other decorative modelling on this map (especially on the inside areas). The gameflow on this map is quiet bad as you need to stop a lot of times to jump on some stairs crossing your way, etc.

For your next Map I'd advise you to make paths that measure at least 4 standard sized cubes in width to assure the possibility of strafing without getting slowed in movement.

About the modelling and design of this map, I'm sorry but I must disagree with Kretren on this one. I really do like this map a lot. At least from an artistic side. (But I guess you can argue endlessly about taste :P ) I like the lighting attempt for the blue / red side, I believe more maps should have it this obvious, makes the whole spin-around-and-still-knwo-where-your-going-thing a hell of a lot easier ;)

All in all im gonna give this 2/5 for gameplay and a 5/5 for level design

Cheers, K1P57A

i LOVE this map! Maybe because i am a passionate camper hehe :D
No i dont think that camping will be that much of a problem on that map because it is a quite big map where you dont get too much frags even if you snipe

Nice map overall.

The flag run is super short, which is going to make for quick games, and games should only be quick if the team is good. . . . really good.

I agree with Poum in that you need to move the teledest back a little, since teleport is the only one way into the flag room. Since you can't see who might be in the flag room, the teleport should be all the way back and facing the whole room, so the teleported can see whatever is going on right away.

Some of the textures looked super bright because you are using lights that are 500 in size.

Map 4/5 (only the coolest of cool get 5. . i.e. Thor - Halo)

Gameplay 3.5/5 (flag run too short and easy - maybe make it corner to corner, or hide the map in a back room, with multiple entrances)

Thank you for commenting and advicing.

@linuxjunkie & poum:
yes, you're right, I will move the teledest back a bit and I probably will add another teleport in the flag rooms that leads back to ground floor, like on face-capture (well, this is actually a face-capture inspired map). Btw the flag room can be checked from the opposite base (like face-capture, again) to avoid people camping there. Btw I could add side stairs that leads to the flag room to add multiple ways to reach the flag, not a problem.
I exactly wanted to have the flag capturing that fast, in my purpose this would be a classic "tournament" 3v3 ictf | 4v4 ctf map.
About texturing/lighting I spent a lot of time on that, until I found the combination I liked. Dunno if it's weird, but to me everything fits good enough.
About camping: yes, yes, yes, I really DO hate campers as well, but there's nothing we can do, unfortunately campers will always find a way to make their dirty job.

@kipsta: I tested the gameplay with my mates (ictf) and it works good once you're get used to the map. Some ways are a bit narrow, you're right, probably that's why I wished to keep map size small enough.
for 3v3 games.

@kretren: I said hundred times, quite boring: texturing and lighting are for the most JUST a matter of taste, why don't you try sometimes to apply *your* criticism to *your* maps? The whole "core" series of yours to me looks bad and poor playable, even so I would rate your maps nothing less than a 3/5 because you worked hard on those, work always deserve a reward imo.
"Architecture are random"... maybe, well it's a map for a game, it's just fantasy, did you see many maps in the game that resembles exactly the real world?
"Nature is not my thing"... omg, it's a face-capture inspired map man, can you see rocks and cliffs an lakes and hills on face-capture?

Well, I know this map is an average work (nothing very special), as usual I did expect nothing except fairness, but, as I notice the most of the time, fairness is a virtue widely understimated here.

sigh, really wondering why u make much maps that looks like if they could be 1 gridsize smaller :S.
if u load the map it already gives the error "unknown command: fogcolor". maybe u should change that to "fogcolour" to let it work...

geometry is pretty good. detailing r most of the part just the textures. texturing getting more bad after u observated the map, as example the light textures seems to be just added and done nothing more with it (so its partly a detailing case). the pillars under the middle bridge are strange textured. it just seems pretty much parts of the map r just textured on such a way that they dont fit, at my opinion.
the lighting is sometimes a bit strange, like in that room outside the main room (with those boxes and a grenade on it). the odd lighttexture thats half getting lighted by a pretty weak light, while the rest of the room is getting lighted by a bright and shiny light. the ambient seems to be just default, while the map seems to be in a "night" theme. at my opinion, it should be lower to really create that.
another lightmistake is on the wall at the platforms at the sides in the middle of the map. some unbelieveble bright light seems to come from nowhere.

the gameplay is strange to, because u added that u wanna play ctf on this map. if this map would be released, there will be getting played instactf on
this map to at public servers of course, because theres no individual tab 4 those gamemodes yet. further, if u really want to play it with 8 people, i think there is a very low amount of pickups in the map.
the gameplay is pretty predictable, especially if u would play insta on it. if u would add some bigger walls between the main room, it would create much more fun to play this map.
the flow seems to be good.

i dont c the sense at the name of this map actually. theres no explanation of it either.

anyways, keep it up! ill give 44 points for it.

Update 16 dec 2009.
- added a teleport on each flag room that leads back to ground floor;
- moved back teledests in the flagrooms;
- fixed "fogcolour" error in the cfg;
- added few lights and fixed some wrong texturing.