I stuffed up on the intital upload so some tunes would not have played at all... hopefully is now fixed.

Thanks for your comments - the game play is what I am after, so if that is your sort of thing then great - I am glad you enjoyed it!

Cheers

Thank you for your feedback:

To my knowledge the key bindings can only be done through the autoexec at system load, not through a map config - if that was possible I would have done so. I actually spent a fair bit of time trying to load settings via the package.cfg, but again, this loads after the system load.

I am sorry that the game settings screwed with your config.cfg, that is why in the readme I suggested adding the line at the end of your autoexec.cfg - you can always comment it out. However, the config.cfg is really a temporary file and will reflect that last exited game state no matter.

I was interested about the fps you were getting: I am running at 1980x1200 using an Nividia 8800GTS so the frame rate I have been trying to get is around 200, but at times with many monsters/barrels/etc it will drop to around 60+. Once again, this is something that is difficult to guestimate unless you have access to a wide variety of PCs that are capable of running Sauer.

With goblin AI it constantly surprises me - you can have them all facing away from you then they suddenly converge where you are going to be... That is not my doing except for the selection of the monster itself, and I appreciate the slowdown in fps, though that was apparently partly addressed via occlusion in the Assassin Edition.

I am sorry the download was not to your liking or effort, however I do thank you for your feedback as it helps me gauge performance levels and what I perhaps need to address with future maps. Cheers.

My graphics card is awful, so I can't expect you to do anything about the frame rate. ^_^ As you rightly said, it's difficult catering for every bodies specifications. It's a shame really, the levels themselves looked quite good.

I only found being set upon by many goblins difficult because of the low frame rate, so there's no need to worry about that either. I'm sure you've play tested your maps enough times to judge the difficulty.

I've used key binds for individual maps before, though I've a feeling it caused problems. It may work if you paste the contents of the keybinds.cfg into your map .cfg file and make any alterations. Possibly.
I suppose it all gets a little messy there.

Hopefully somebody who's computer can handle a more demanding level will be able to give you a proper review.

I like the amount of effort you've put into turning a lone frag-fest into something with a little more backbone. Designing a good SP map is very difficult, especially when presenting your work to a community that is mostly into party play maps. It's good to see somebody trying to prove that SB isn't just for taking pot shots at anything that moves.

Hmmm, sounds like something is not working right if you only found 1 book. I can remove the gui2d setting so that people choose how they want to view the menus, or put a button in there to set it perhaps...

I will look at the file and see what's going on - I came across a lot of weird stuff in the first foggy map when changing to the Assassin edition - a lot of doors had doubled up and trigger alias screwed around - I thought I had fixed everything and it was working properly with the 4 books being visible and displaying the alerts (which can be turned off in the help menu). Cheers.

Odd, I can't see anything wrong - the four books are there... though I haven't initialised/cleared the variable for the journal entries in the foggy.cfg so maybe somehow thst is causing the journal entries to be visible, but it shouldn't...

When approaching doors heading down that pathway at the beginning there is an invisible trigger at each one, but should only echo the text "Good, these gates are locked... as they should be..." and have not relationship to the journal. Are these the invisible books you are refering to?

Actually, no, I made it through that part, into "my house", walked up to the book mapmodel on the table or wherever it was, and the menu popped up with the book information.

I hopped across the roof into another building and found another book (though I don't believe I saw a mapmodel to represent it), and found two others subsequently. The content from the first book showed up again later, at a completely different door, and just about every other door thereafter (not the ones in the beginning which were staying closed like they should ;) ) seemed to generate a book two or three message, though I did eventually find one that was book four.

Thanks for that, I have something to go on now. The second book is on the ground floor of the 'armory' (second building you went across the top of the roof to get to). Sounds like I have some mapmodels with the wrong trigger on them, or double models in the same place which I was experiencing and trying to delete before... that map certainly didn't like the transistion to the Assassin Edition at all :(

Changed the alias level_trigger_1 to 41 - that should stop any errant triggering of the book 1. But I couldn't see anything triggering that first book to pop_up... and certainly I haven't experienced of those issues. All the non opening doors are trigger 0, and every other door has a trigger starting from 5 up... I even deleted doors to see whether there was another trigger at the same place, and there is nothing in the .cfg that calls the level 1 trigger.

Anyhow, have uploaded again - hopefully that puts and end to that book appearing when it shouldn't. Cheers.

Thanks for your feedback - very much appreciated!

Good comments on the same lighting and the subsequent disorientation - I hadn't really considered that too much, and I guess I knew where I had to go in the map. I originally kept that first map very simple to see what I could get away with to keep the lightmaps to a minimum. The third map has more interesting geometry, and the story overview states that the barracks (first map) are quite austere as they were built to house the guards, so no niceties ;)

But, dam, these triggers seem to be going hay-wire - similar to how demosthenes described them to behave...

This is not the intention at all to keep having triggered menus jumping at you all the time:

There are the four books which bring up 4 guis - these are triggered each time in the vicinity of the books themselves and shouldn't be triggering anywhere else. So the tiggers for these books aren't attached to any doors or levers/switches...

There are 2 physical switches that operate two respective sets of doors - they are set to type 4 "do trigger animation when touched for the first time only and stay in toggled position [with sound]" so they should only be triggering and opening the doors once.

You can bring up the task and hint guis by pressing 't' and 'h' respectively. TAB brings up the help menu. So these should be the only other times that a gui should appear apart from the four books when these keys are pressed.

Hmmm, I do not experience any of these problems on my PC, and the testing and subsequent retesting after posting this up fails to find what might be causing the problems or how they might be occuring.

This first map (foggy.ogz) really had a lot of things screwed up somehow when opening with the Assassin release (double doors, mixed up trigger values etc), but I had no problems (that I know of) with the second and third maps...

Maybe the best thing I could do is delete all the doors and triggers and replace them all again as I really don't know what else to do as there is nothing in the .cfg to associate this errant triggering of books in the wrong places. I will have to get back to it again - I was so hoping that I had finished that set of maps so that I could move onto trying out other (art) stuff with the map making/design.

Cheers

Update 4 has been uploaded (read all about it in the opening post).

> Should one level change the default behavior for all other gameplay?

Definitely not.
If it does (I haven't gotten it working myself) do this, it should change back (if possible) on map change (or pretty close).
steve_e, I wrote a little thing in my Round Hell CFG to execute a loop as long as the fog color didn't change. Feel free to steal, adapt, or be inspired by that snippet.

I don't know if it's possible to read binds within Cubescript, however... Perhaps a GUI asking for a key (or some readme or something) suggesting that you use this binding. (A guifield in which you type the key name would work.)

Thanks for the feedback guys:

Yeah, the key binding is really something that, unfortunately, can not be done in the map.cfg - and more unfortunately I did not do anything to reset the user defaults in the config.cfg back when finishing the map which would be very easy by calling 'exec config.cfg' at the level end... mind you this would also display error messages stating that keybinds could not be set... it is a bugger really as the only way to ensure that the default key bindings are reset is to delete the config.cfg or manually reset them yourself...

So yeah, not a good thing to do to people at all by stuffing around with the bindings like that when there is no way to reset them from the map.cfg.

My sincere apologies to not have 1. looked into that further, and 2. to not warn people enough and provide instructions on how to set them back.

What I changed were:
[in the map .cfg(s), so would be easily reset in the .cfg at the level end]
gamespeed (set to 80 or whatever via the menu)
fog (various values)
fogcolour (various values)
lava texture (in foggy3)
lava colour (in foggy3)
lavafog

[in the foggyini.cfg (called from the autoexec.cfg) the following bindings]
MOUSE2 (right mouse button) (set to toggle a zoom function)
T key (set to display tasks)
H key (set to display hints)
TAB key (set to display the menu)
LSHIFT (for the slowmo function)
LALT (for the vision function)
sensitivity (toggled with right mouse zoom function)
musicvol

[in the foggymen.cfg (called by foggyini.cfg at startup)]
2dmenu (which should toggle)

Which, now that I have listed it all, is a significant amount of settings that have been altered by the maps - the key bindings being the worst as these are not easily reset, so once again my sincerest apologies.

I have learnt now (as a result of this set of maps) not to over-ride key bindings (which unfortunately restricts what can be achieved with the game play) in the latest map I am working on and to reset the config and menu .cfgs respectively on exit.

If only key bindings could be set in the map.cfg, or preferably there was a call to test a key press such as "if (= $key 'ESC') [cleanupmystuff]" with a pass through function that would be great. Looks like I am going to have to delve into the source code to see whether this is possible or not. Cheers.

Yes, I should have checked existing settings before over-riding with my own. So manipulating exisitng user settings via what you describe would be a much better idea. I went with a sensitivity of 3 as that is what the defaults are supposed to be? Well, that's what it states as the default value on my PC, but of course people well may change to suit their own personal preferences. Cheers.